How many will submit “Qualfying Cards”

[garyinderry]

We have comps at least every wed, fri sat and Sunday.

Wont be putting in anything but comp scores if I dont have to.

I play a very different style of golf when I have a card in my hand. Without a card I'll bang driver and generally take a lot more risks.

 

[jim8flog]

Apart from the fact that there's not a single golfer on the planet who wants to hole out and keep their best possible score EVERY single time they play golf.

Yes. It is great pity that England Golf et al decided not to adopt 'Most likely for score' for General Play rounds

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/h...re-do-i-post-when-hole-is-not-completed-.html

 

[jim8flog]

Is match play an acceptable card to hand in for a “social score”? - genuine question, I wouldn’t include it myself - but I don’t play it.

2.1/2 – Status of Scores Made When Match Play and Stroke Play
Formats are Played Concurrently
When a player competes in a match while also playing in a stroke play round and
both are authorized formats of play, the stroke play score is the score that should
be submitted for handicap purposes. The match play score should not be
submitted.

 

[jim8flog]

As someone who generally isn't bothered about playing comps(last year none, year before 3 for example).

I would probably do 10-20 cards a year if via an easy log into an app. if it means logging in the clubhouse or pro shop still, then I will probably do none this year and let it lapse.

Judging by our handicap list you are in the same position as probably thousands of golfers. We have nearly 100 who have not played in any comp for more than 3 years.

Your handicap only lapses if you cease to be a member of an affiliated club.

If your club has IG it is very easy to do via a phone and I know some who take the card home and do it from there.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We have comps at least every wed, fri sat and Sunday.

Wont be putting in anything but comp scores if I dont have to.

I play a very different style of golf when I have a card in my hand. Without a card I'll bang driver and generally take a lot more risks.

Likewise - and I'll take more time over the tap-in putts.

But since I had the 'lightbulb' moment I had about treating normal/social/friendly/rollup rounds that will be recorded and might count toward my HI as nothing special, but simply yet another one for the pot - that concern about feeling I had to play every WHS counting round as a qualifier disappeared completely. Because rounds that go into my rolling pot of 20, and so might count towards my HI, are just not the same as 'qualifiers' under the old system - and so I don't have to think of them and play them as if they are 'qualifiers' - they can still each be just a social/friendly 'knock' that I can take as seriously or as casually as I might wish on the day.

 

[Bdill93]

2.1/2 – Status of Scores Made When Match Play and Stroke Play
Formats are Played Concurrently
When a player competes in a match while also playing in a stroke play round and
both are authorized formats of play, the stroke play score is the score that should
be submitted for handicap purposes. The match play score should not be
submitted.

So call it match. Not a strokeplay match and you're golden....

 

[Bdill93]

Likewise - and I'll take more time over the tap-in putts.

But since I had the 'lightbulb' moment I had about treating normal/social/friendly/rollup rounds that will be recorded and might count toward my HI as nothing special, but simply yet another one for the pot - that concern about feeling I had to play every WHS counting round as a qualifier disappeared completely. Because rounds that go into my rolling pot of 20, and so might count towards my HI, are just not the same as 'qualifiers' under the old system - and so I don't have to think of them and play them as if they are 'qualifiers' - they can still each be just a social/friendly 'knock' that I can take as seriously or as casually as I might wish on the day.

God I wish everyone took that approach. Everyones so obsessed with their bad rounds - forgetting that 12 out of 20 matter not one bit at all!! I could shoot 200 and I wouldnt go up!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

God I wish everyone took that approach. Everyones so obsessed with their bad rounds - forgetting that 12 out of 20 matter not one bit at all!! I could shoot 200 and I wouldnt go up!

Exactly. My bad rounds, or those where I couldn't care less what I score, will almost never matter - and even if one did sneak somehow into my 8 then the impact will generally be small, and probably won't add 0.1 to my H/I. It's really only the real goodies that will count - and isn't that just what we'd want and expect. As a result I can just play my social/friendly/rollup golf with exactly the same mindset as I always have. That the round gets flung into my pot of 20 is just neither here nor there (unless it's a goodie)

 

[USER1999]

God I wish everyone took that approach. Everyones so obsessed with their bad rounds - forgetting that 12 out of 20 matter not one bit at all!! I could shoot 200 and I wouldnt go up!

For some this will be how they view it, but not me. Why do you insist that you are right, and every one elses view is wrong or invalid.
Every qualifying round will have equal importance to me. I will know which round will drop out, and what I have to score To get a top 8 card. I would never stand on the first tee, in a qualifying round, and think the score doesn't matter.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For some this will be how they view it, but not me. Why do you insist that you are right, and every one elses view is wrong or invalid.
Every qualifying round will have equal importance to me. I will know which round will drop out, and what I have to score To get a top 8 card. I would never stand on the first tee, in a qualifying round, and think the score doesn't matter.

Because WHS counting rounds won't matter in anything like the same way as qualifiers did under the old system - you've referred to them as 'qualifying' rounds - and quite simply they are not. They go into a pot of 20 and that's it - only if they are good will they be 'qualifiers' - and only possible qualifiers at that - in the context of the WHS H/I.

Under the old system I stand on the 1st tee with a card in my hand I know that there is a high probability that the round will impact my handicap. Under the new system that just isn't the case. We can decide whether or not we want to take the round seriously or not. Most social/rollup golf I won't be taking seriously in the context of my H/I. My mindset will be that it is just another friendly round of golf.

 

[Bdill93]

For some this will be how they view it, but not me. Why do you insist that you are right, and every one elses view is wrong or invalid.
Every qualifying round will have equal importance to me. I will know which round will drop out, and what I have to score To get a top 8 card. I would never stand on the first tee, in a qualifying round, and think the score doesn't matter.

Because this is how WHS is supposed to be run. You're just choosing to ignore all the information which argues that you're wrong.

Frankly I dont care to keep arguing with you murph. You clearly hate WHS, have made your mind up on it and wont buy into it ever - but its WAYYY better than CONGU

 

[ger147]

Because this is how WHS is supposed to be run. You're just choosing to ignore all the information which argues that you're wrong.

Frankly I dont care to keep arguing with you murph. You clearly hate WHS, have made your mind up on it and wont buy into it ever - but its WAYYY better than CONGU

The golf authorities in the UK have not implemented the WHS in the way you describe i.e. every round does NOT count. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

That's why they have included the option of entering a General Play score i.e. it's optional. Some will choose to do so, others will not. Neither view is "correct" or better than the alternative, it's up to the individual.

 

[Bdill93]

The golf authorities in the UK have not implemented the WHS in the way you describe i.e. every round does NOT count. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

That's why they have included the option of entering a General Play score i.e. it's optional. Some will choose to do so, others will not. Neither view is "correct" or better than the alternative, it's up to the individual.

My view that your handicap is most accurate by entering every card is fact - not an opinion. The more data, the better.

Ive never said you have to submit every round. Ive suggested you should to have the most accurate handicap and by not doing this - you are manipulating your handicap in some way - also fact.

 

[ger147]

My view that your handicap is most accurate by entering every card is fact - not an opinion. The more data, the better.

Ive never said you have to submit every round. Ive suggested you should to have the most accurate handicap and by not doing this - you are manipulating your handicap in some way - also fact.

Neither of the points in bold you make are facts, merely your opinion. In exactly the same way that others hold the opinion that people who largely submit supplementary/general play scores rather than competition scores only do so because they can't make a score in a competition as they can't handle playing in competitions...

 

[USER1999]

Because WHS counting rounds won't matter in anything like the same way as qualifiers did under the old system - you've referred to them as 'qualifying' rounds - and quite simply they are not. They go into a pot of 20 and that's it - only if they are good will they be 'qualifiers' - and only possible qualifiers at that - in the context of the WHS H/I.

Under the old system I stand on the 1st tee with a card in my hand I know that there is a high probability that the round will impact my handicap. Under the new system that just isn't the case. We can decide whether or not we want to take the round seriously or not. Most social/rollup golf I won't be taking seriously in the context of my H/I. My mindset will be that it is just another friendly round of golf.

Yep, that is the way you think. Others won't. Other opinions are equally valid.

 

[USER1999]

Because this is how WHS is supposed to be run. You're just choosing to ignore all the information which argues that you're wrong.

Frankly I dont care to keep arguing with you murph. You clearly hate WHS, have made your mind up on it and wont buy into it ever - but its WAYYY better than CONGU

I don't hate WHS, I think it is ill conceived, and can be manipulated just as easily.

I also think putting more cards in does not equate to a more accurate handicap, unless you have two handicaps. One when you give a stuff, and one when you don't.

Congu had it's flaws too, but WHS does not address them.

 

[D-S]

When playing in comps under CONGU , as a relatively steady but unspectacular player off 5, I often found myself playing moderate golf and having to really grind over the final holes to get into the buffer zone. I was more often never in much danger of winning anything but I fought hard not to go up 0.1. In the same instance playing with my mates in a casual round, very often matchplay or Bowmaker with two or three groups playing, I have a very different mindset and I am certainly not 100% focussed on achieving my best score that day especially if we have won or lost the match early or if just getting nett par on a hole isn’t going to help the team. So I have a very different competition game from casual. Comps are hard work but I enjoy them, the rest of my golf is having fun and for that reason I won’t be pre registering for and putting in lots of ‘social score’ cards

 

[Orikoru]

No, I think it's pointless. I plan to enter comps regularly and I'm happy for that to be what my handicap is based on. In friendly knocks we have quite generous gimmes, drop when you're out of bounds, giving up on holes you maybe could have scored on but can't be bothered - all usual things you have on a relaxed round, and I personally don't think a handicap should be based off rounds like that.

 

[Golfnut1957]

When we play in comps the chatter is minimal, and it becomes progressively quieter as the round goes on. If someone has a decent round going they generally retreat into a bubble and are left alone.

When our fourball meet we generally play a four-handed match play, if someone goes up, he's now playing the other three. The barracking in this friendly format is outrageous. I won't want the introduction of a card to spoil the enjoyment we get from this social interaction.

 

[Imurg]

No, I think it's pointless. I plan to enter comps regularly and I'm happy for that to be what my handicap is based on. In friendly knocks we have quite generous gimmes, drop when you're out of bounds, giving up on holes you maybe could have scored on but can't be bothered - all usual things you have on a relaxed round, and I personally don't think a handicap should be based off rounds like that.

Nobody's saying they should.
If youre able to play enough comps then there's not necessarily a need for anyone to put in other cards.
Not everyone can play 2 or 3 or more comps a month for a number of reasons
So they play a "social" game but play it with a card in their hand, trying to play their best.
In this respect, to me there's 2 types of golf...card in hand or no card in hand.
Card in hand can be the Medal or Stableford or it can be 3 guys going out on a Friday afternoon to play as well as they can and put the card in.
No card in hand is gimmees, dodgy drops, excessive banter etc etc...
To me they are easily distinguished