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After reading JT77 excellent post & replies on geting annoyed & nearly hitting people UNintentionaly, it makes me wonder how you can win when playing on courses with 320ish par 4's ..
Scenario here is

Do you wait just in case you do connect right & do make it , even tho you dont normaly ? you dont wana upset or hit the group in front.. you could get reported for dangerous play..
OR
Do you wait , the group behind catches up as you have teed off but only hit it say 260ish , they wonder why you are playing so slow & like some on here expect to play through when they catch the group in front , you also risk been reported for slow play ..

& there are some on here who expect to play through the min they catch up as per previous threads .. so tell me how do you win.. same applies for second shots to par 5 .. 250 out , chance i might make it upset those in front , chance i might not & will upset those behind me .. do any of us know exactly how far or how well we are going to hit any shot ? exactly not average ?


how would the people behind you wondering why you are so slow feel if they were ahead of you & you did make the shot .. or are we all just worried about what affects us alone??
Playing at 2.30 so il be intrested to hear thoughts on it later ..
 
Good question! and sure to be lots of debate, i believe if theres any chance you can reach those in front you should wait and ignore any barracking from behind. I appreciate it can be a tad embarressing waiting for the green to clear 250 away and chunking 100 yards! but safety must be paramount.
 
I always think, even if you can't hit that distance a ball landing 25 yards behind can also look like you are hurrying them along, and always think if they had hit a worldy, would that be by me now.
 
Good question! and sure to be lots of debate, i believe if theres any chance you can reach those in front you should wait and ignore any barracking from behind. I appreciate it can be a tad embarressing waiting for the green to clear 250 away and chunking 100 yards! but safety must be paramount.

had this argument before at my club.a fella behind me got on to me a few holes later. my responce was i have reached the green from the hill half way down our par 5 and this ment i couldnt therefore hit with the same club i did this with while people were still putting on the green. i had only managed it once and it was unlikely but once is enough.
 
Play a 4w off the tee, and be short. I'll probably shoot the same score any way. If it is a drivable par 4, the chances are the hazards around the green will make it risk heavy.
 
Is 320+ classed as a driveable par 4? According to folk on here non of us can hit it that far.
We have a par 4 that is driveable at 302, but plays nearer to 275/280. That's reachable, so I play an iron from the tee, not very offen I take driver unless its clear.
It seems like a lose lose bp doesn't it, I went with the percentages but would on that given day I was wrong, so for me its a judgement call for tgr individual involved. Next time I play 15 at my gaff, ill prob hit 3 wood, but we should be off the back sticks soon so driver will be more than safe.
 
We have 1 at our place. I wouldn't call it a driveable par 4 for me, but no doubt I'll be on it sometime over the summer when the fairways are hard and the wind is favourable.

It's a difficult one to answer. On the one hand you look a pillock if you wait then don't reach even if you nail it, but on the other even if I do get on the green it's not going to hurt anyone but I wouldn't want to put them off whilst they're playing.

I think I've only ever reached once with people on the green. It just rolled up the front and made it about 15' onto the green.
I went over to them on the next tee to apologise and they just said don't worry it was a great shot.
 
The par 4's you mention need to be designated "call-through" if they can be reached.

Stand aside and let the players tee off, once they are done you- can putt out.

Makes it a lot safer and easier.

The par5's in question need to be met with common sense.

If someone behind you is on the tee and your waiting to go at it in 2 then call them on.

They don't have to play through but it gets them moving and you can relax to play your shot.

If i'm ready to tee off on the 1st tee and the group behind are there also i'll let them know that i'm gonna go for the par 5's in two and they will be called to tee off if they are on the tee to stop them hanging around.

They will know the holes where this will happen and are then aware.

It should only happen on the par5's that are reachable so its not as if balls will be flying at you on each hole.

Ash!!
 
We have a 316 yard par 4 and i drive it a few of times in a year as it is down hill and usually with the prevailing wind. As to whether we drive when there is a group on the green, it's really a question of judgement and generally the ball will only roll slowly on. Yes, I have got on with others putting out and apologised but everyone knows that if the group behind can drive it then its not going to hurt when it reaches. I never hit a driver there until everyone is on the green.


We tried it as a call on hole but with little success.
 
The par 4's you mention need to be designated "call-through" if they can be reached.

Stand aside and let the players tee off, once they are done you- can putt out.

Makes it a lot safer and easier.

The par5's in question need to be met with common sense.

If someone behind you is on the tee and your waiting to go at it in 2 then call them on.

They don't have to play through but it gets them moving and you can relax to play your shot.

If i'm ready to tee off on the 1st tee and the group behind are there also i'll let them know that i'm gonna go for the par 5's in two and they will be called to tee off if they are on the tee to stop them hanging around.

They will know the holes where this will happen and are then aware.

It should only happen on the par5's that are reachable so its not as if balls will be flying at you on each hole.

Ash!!

Couldn't agree more, lots of debate on the other thread due to the circumstances & beliefs and I don't recall anyone questioning the club/course with respect to their duty of care in designating holes where players need to wait for the group to clear a path/green etc
 
There's one at my course and it's a "call through" hole. Trouble is nobody ever calls you through.

It's a very tight fairway so I often hit 3 wood anyway but I never tee off until the group ahead are on the green. If I do pull out driver to go for it I know it can only roll onto the green and if someone putting gets annoyed, well, they should have called us through.....

Usually if I go for the green the only people in danger are lurking in the trees. :rolleyes:
 
Call up holes are mental.

You get the hump when some one hits up behind you, but on a designated hole are prepared to stand there and invite people to hit at you. No thanks. Count me out.
 
Call up holes are mental.

You get the hump when some one hits up behind you, but on a designated hole are prepared to stand there and invite people to hit at you. No thanks. Count me out.

The idea is to stand aside. You wouldn't stay on the green if it can be reached. Once they have played you resume as normal. Plus, with them teeing at you, there is the opportunity to watch the ball in flight and be aware rather than a last minute call of "4".

What happens when someone is catching you up and about to play through from the tee, do you get your armoured truck from out of your bag then call them through?

Ash!!
 
I treat holes like that as a chance to NOT use the driver.

My driver is for all out distance, on a 320 yard hole I only really want to hit it 200 yards as my best distance is about 100 yards.

I will usually try and leave myself somewhere between 70 and 120 yards into a hole as that gives me the best chance of a birdie. Why hit it with a driver and risk finding trouble or leaving myself too close? Even the pros and cat 1 players avoid getting too close, opting usually to leave a certain distance.

It helps your game and helps the speed of play!

I also as a rule dont go for par 5s unless I have less than a 5 iron in hand. I can nail a 5 or less with decent shape, height and control but above that then I cannot dial in so much. My magic distance is 120 yards, I aim to get inside that with my second shot, 150 at a push.

Simple course management like this if done by everyone would surely lower average scores and improve speed of play!
 
I treat holes like that as a chance to NOT use the driver.

My driver is for all out distance, on a 320 yard hole I only really want to hit it 200 yards as my best distance is about 100 yards.

I will usually try and leave myself somewhere between 70 and 120 yards into a hole as that gives me the best chance of a birdie. Why hit it with a driver and risk finding trouble or leaving myself too close? Even the pros and cat 1 players avoid getting too close, opting usually to leave a certain distance.

It helps your game and helps the speed of play!

I also as a rule dont go for par 5s unless I have less than a 5 iron in hand. I can nail a 5 or less with decent shape, height and control but above that then I cannot dial in so much. My magic distance is 120 yards, I aim to get inside that with my second shot, 150 at a push.

Simple course management like this if done by everyone would surely lower average scores and improve speed of play!

Similar logic to me.

Even if it is drivable I will rarely go for it, much prefer a birdie from the fairway than a birdie from a bunker.

Similar with par 5's, I rarely go for them but if its breezy and the conditions are right with hard fairways then I might give it a whirl.

Ash!!
 
The idea is to stand aside. You wouldn't stay on the green if it can be reached. Once they have played you resume as normal. Plus, with them teeing at you, there is the opportunity to watch the ball in flight and be aware rather than a last minute call of "4".

What happens when someone is catching you up and about to play through from the tee, do you get your armoured truck from out of your bag then call them through?

Ash!!

If I am calling through, I do it on the tee, where I can stand behind the player, and am safe.

A lot of golfers can't see a ball from 250 yards. Quite a few can't see it from 50 yards. So from a drivable par 4, or a long par three, most won't see the ball coming. Especially in a grey sky. So windy day, poor visibility, I am expected to stand just off the green, and wave guys up? No chance. Heck, at that range the golfer has no control over accuracy, he might not even see where it goes, and I'd probably be safest standing by the pin.

When I have waved someone up, and they have shattered my eye socket, as I was looking at them tee off, rather than turning away, it's going to look great for my compensation case. What were you doing when they tee'd off? Oh, just standing by the green, inviting them to hit at me.

So no, I don't hold with play up holes.

Neither does my golf club, who had one, and then stopped it for health and safety reasons. It was only a 200 yard par 3, but it was still flipping dangerous.
 
If I am calling through, I do it on the tee, where I can stand behind the player, and am safe.

A lot of golfers can't see a ball from 250 yards. Quite a few can't see it from 50 yards. So from a drivable par 4, or a long par three, most won't see the ball coming. Especially in a grey sky. So windy day, poor visibility, I am expected to stand just off the green, and wave guys up? No chance. Heck, at that range the golfer has no control over accuracy, he might not even see where it goes, and I'd probably be safest standing by the pin.

When I have waved someone up, and they have shattered my eye socket, as I was looking at them tee off, rather than turning away, it's going to look great for my compensation case. What were you doing when they tee'd off? Oh, just standing by the green, inviting them to hit at me.

So no, I don't hold with play up holes.

Neither does my golf club, who had one, and then stopped it for health and safety reasons. It was only a 200 yard par 3, but it was still flipping dangerous.

Fair enough.

Everyone has their own way of doing things.

Ash!!
 
The par 4's you mention need to be designated "call-through" if they can be reached.

Stand aside and let the players tee off, once they are done you- can putt out.

Makes it a lot safer and easier.

The par5's in question need to be met with common sense.

If someone behind you is on the tee and your waiting to go at it in 2 then call them on.

They don't have to play through but it gets them moving and you can relax to play your shot.

If i'm ready to tee off on the 1st tee and the group behind are there also i'll let them know that i'm gonna go for the par 5's in two and they will be called to tee off if they are on the tee to stop them hanging around.

They will know the holes where this will happen and are then aware.

It should only happen on the par5's that are reachable so its not as if balls will be flying at you on each hole.

Ash!!

Agree 100%
 
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