Haotong Li penalty

[Swinglowandslow]

Whilst it seems harsh, the rule change does cover it fairly well....

New Rule: Under Rule 10.2b(4):

• The previous prohibition is extended so that, once the player begins taking a stance for the stroke, and until the stroke is made, the player’s caddie must not deliberately stand on or close to an extension of the line of play behind the ball for any reason.
• There is no penalty if the caddie accidentally stands on or close to an extension of the line of play behind the ball, rather than in trying to help in lining up.

The first paragraph is clear, especially the "for any reason" part.
But then they confuse, contradict even, that by using language that takes away the"for........" bit and infer that for there to be a penalty the caddie must be trying to help in lining up .
IMO, that is one terrible bit of rule writing.
Either,
A.The latter paragraph should end after "behind the ball". or
B. "for any reason" of the first paragraph should be omitted.

 

[drdel]

I don't think so but it's irrelevant now.
All the players and caddies now know where they stand or shouldn't in this case.
If someone gets penalised in the future, it's their own fault.

I'm sure Li quite happily 'paid' his 100k to teach his fellow players the rule

 

[User2021]

quality tweet from Li today

 

[Aussie Swinger]

Here’s one then. I was watching an international feed of the competition here in Australia. On the 10 hole of the final round , it was mentioned that someone had timed Bryson for each shot taken to get to the green, he was averaging at 1 minute and 10 seconds. It’s the inconsistency of applying the rules that is frustrating us all I believe

 

[Captainron]

The law is an ass!

No way this should have been penalised.

 

[robinthehood]

Here’s one then. I was watching an international feed of the competition here in Australia. On the 10 hole of the final round , it was mentioned that someone had timed Bryson for each shot taken to get to the green, he was averaging at 1 minute and 10 seconds. It’s the inconsistency of applying the rules that is frustrating us all I believe

That's not a rules infrimgment though is it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Here’s one then. I was watching an international feed of the competition here in Australia. On the 10 hole of the final round , it was mentioned that someone had timed Bryson for each shot taken to get to the green, he was averaging at 1 minute and 10 seconds. It’s the inconsistency of applying the rules that is frustrating us all I believe

He was 1min 45 for one putt, the BBC golf correspondent started timing him. Don't think he was put on the clock though .

The statement from Keith Pelley regarding this incident was pretty fierce. His approach reflects what many followers and players think and as head honcho he has influence. It will be interesting to see this develop.

 

[Imurg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1091491560502509568

It's developed....


My name is Golf
I like to shoot myself in the foot at every opportunity

 

[Pin-seeker]

Way too many rules in golf.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1091491560502509568

It's developed....


My name is Golf
I like to shoot myself in the foot at every opportunity

That is just plain stupid. What I’m wondering then if that’s a penalty - Would there have been any way for him not to be penalised for the shot here after his caddie was standing behind him?

 

[Imurg]

I'm sure I read something from someone in authority that if Li had moved away from "stance" and then retaken it there wouldn't have been a penalty...
Well that seems to be wrong...

 

[Pin-seeker]

Imagine playing someone a video of Koepka’s rock being lifted and McCarthy’s ‘lining up’ and asking them which of these isn’t allowed.

@BenColeyGolf

 

[Homer]

I'm sure I read something from someone in authority that if Li had moved away from "stance" and then retaken it there wouldn't have been a penalty...
Well that seems to be wrong...

It does on the putting green not elsewhere

 

[Slab]

Quality!, the caddie had no reason to be there (other than checking his players alignment which is a breach of the rules)

 

[Deleted member 25172]

It does on the putting green not elsewhere

So it then means that there was no way what so ever he could’ve escaped the penalty after his caddie stood behind him? That is nothing but ridiculous.

 

[Slab]

So it then means that there was no way what so ever he could’ve escaped the penalty after his caddie stood behind him? That is nothing but ridiculous.

Which is why the caddie shouldn't be there

 

[Deleted member 25172]

Which is why the caddie shouldn't be there

But they can do the exact same thing on the green but not get penalised. Nothing quality about that what so ever.

 

[Slab]

But they can do the exact same thing on the green but not get penalised. Nothing quality about that what so ever.

Thers's several rules that are different if your ball is on the green

 

[Imurg]

Love to know the reasoning behind that.....
Maybe they wanted to simplify the rules but then decided some were too simple and needed to be made less understandable.

Quality!, the caddie had no reason to be there (other than checking his players alignment which is a breach of the rules)

"When taking his stance".....
I believe those are the words or similar.
The player takes several practice swings whilst not addressing the ball - he's clearly not trying to hit it.
Caddy moves away
Player steps out of his practice stance to check line
Takes his stance and hits.

The caddy was not behind the player when the stance for the shot was taken.

 

[Slab]

Love to know the reasoning behind that.....
Maybe they wanted to simplify the rules but then decided some were too simple and needed to be made less understandable.

"When taking his stance".....
I believe those are the words or similar.
The player takes several practice swings whilst not addressing the ball - he's clearly not trying to hit it.
Caddy moves away
Player steps out of his practice stance to check line
Takes his stance and hits.

The caddy was not behind the player when the stance for the shot was taken.

Iirc that's not what the rule is for aligning your player on the fairway