Handicap manipulation - how to address

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Perhaps the simplest solution is to change from conditions of entry to conditions for prize eligibility and then they'd only have to check the winners.

There are conditions of entry around every board competition (pretty much every comp most members enter). For gents comps…overarching criteria are:

1) max handicap 28 (for gents)
2) a players record must contain a minimum of eight WHS qualifying scores in the twelve month period prior to the competition date. Eligible scores include…WHS qualifying comps played at home club; GP scores submitted over a qualifying course at home club; official competition scores submitted at an away course (and verified in WHS).

I note that there is no mention of GP scores submitted at an away club being eligible to be included in the eight the club specifies as our overarching entry criteria.

Bottom line seems to be that we can play as many GP rounds as we wish away from home and submit them using the MyEG app. They will count towards your WHS handicap but members should be aware that they will not be considered as eligible scores towards the overarching entry criteria of eight within the year prior to the comp.

I do not know the background as to why GP rounds played at an away club do not count towards satisfying the board comp entry criterion.

 

[Thintowin]

Presumably as part of your protest you have submitted a detailed report to the R&A and USGA which analyses in depth with supporting evidence what is so wrong with the WHS that it should be scrapped? You'll have realised that making unsubstantiated assertions on an internet forum doesn't get you very far in your mission and will have gone right to the source of the difficulties. Could your report and their response be made available?

Quite the opposite. This forum has several like-minded individuals. I also see from trawling through another WHS thread that many others have made similar points. I also comfort myself from knowing that those I regularly talk to have the same view.

You get the odd one who spends too much of their life posting to know what's really going on but that's internet life for you.

 

[doublebogey7]

Quite the opposite. This forum has several like-minded individuals. I also see from trawling through another WHS thread that many others have made similar points. I also comfort myself from knowing that those I regularly talk to have the same view.

You get the odd one who spends too much of their life posting to know what's really going on but that's internet life for you.

So thats a no then!

 

[rulefan]

Seems sensible for strokeplay comps but not necessarily for matchplay.

Why do scores need to be recorded for matchplay?

 

[jim8flog]

They shouldn't but this is what SILH said -
"We are doing something…apparently GP cards entered using the MyEG app do not show on a players record in iG (the system my club uses) and so the club has issues monitoring number of competition rounds in current 20 (there being a criteria for entry around that for some comps). These rounds are included in a players WHS HI calc, they just don’t show on iG - apparently. We are requesting (nicely) that members do not use the MyEG app for recording GP rounds, instead use the iG app or if poss a home clubhouse terminal."

Note it is a request not a must not.

 

[jim8flog]

There are conditions of entry around every board competition (pretty much every comp most members enter). For gents comps…overarching criteria are:

1) max handicap 28 (for gents)
2) a players record must contain a minimum of eight WHS qualifying scores in the twelve month period prior to the competition date. Eligible scores include…WHS qualifying comps played at home club; GP scores submitted over a qualifying course at home club; official competition scores submitted at an away course (and verified in WHS).

I note that there is no mention of GP scores submitted at an away club being eligible to be included in the eight the club specifies as our overarching entry criteria.

Bottom line seems to be that we can play as many GP rounds as we wish away from home and submit them using the MyEG app. They will count towards your WHS handicap but members should be aware that they will not be considered as eligible scores towards the overarching entry criteria of eight within the year prior to the comp.

I do not know the background as to why GP rounds played at an away club do not count towards satisfying the board comp entry criterion.

Our Seniors have a similar rule for Seniors Trophy comps. The scores must have been made in a Seniors comp and not a club comp.

 

[D-S]

Why do scores need to be recorded for matchplay?

It’s not the scores that need to be recorded, it is about the entry criteria for a competition and how you check it.
In a strokeplay comp you can make the eligibility criteria mean that you can enter but not win a prize if you do not have the acceptable number of rounds on your record, so all you need to do is check the winners’ records.
However for a matchplay comp you would need to check every entrants record to ensure they are eligible to play from round 1.

 

[NearHull]

It’s been 4 hours since the last message of repetition - is the thread broken?

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s been 4 hours since the last message of repetition - is the thread broken?

The Masked Singer and Casualty have been on.

 

[KenL]

Seems that any time a few sensible people on here begin to expose the nonsense a gang turns up.

Absolute tosh.

 

[KenL]

Why do scores need to be recorded for matchplay?

I thought that was not allowed?

 

[Colin L]

I thought that was not allowed?

In the CONGU countries it isn't. In other areas such as the USA, it is. In time, CONGU might move to accepting match play scores, although I would hope not. It's possible of course to do it but I fear it would have an adverse effect on match play. For your score you would have to play by stroke play rules. Just two examples. Having to hole out every hole is the most obvious but affects both/all players. Your opponent plays a wrong ball and you have won the hole but for the opponent's score he has to go back, find the right ball and play the hole out or not find the right ball and go even further back under stroke and distance. What are you doing in the meantime? What is that doing to the momentum of the match?

By the way, does anyone know the outcome of the trialling of returning scores from matchplay in Ireland?

 

[Colin L]

If a system isn't working for a club it's natural that they will make it work as best they can. If enough of the membership don't want it they could even drop their affiliation. The vaste majority of club golf is played weekly on the same patch of land between the same people. The only thing that matters to many is the integrity of those competitions.

Indeed it could, but it would shed members who want to compete in more than club competitions - from opens at other clubs, regional, national through to international events if good enough. Why not found your own society with the unique Thinwin Handicap System?

But enough's enough. I've played my share in feeding your trolling and you are clearly never going to offer any technical justification for your burning desire to wreck the WHS, preferring unsubstantiated assertions and, worse still, deflecting from the substance of the matter by denigrating others.. Well taught by Trump it would seem.

 

[bobmac]

by insulting and demeaning other people. Well taught by Trump it would seem.

Ermmmm?

 

[Colin L]

Ermmmm?

I've changed the wording a bit.

 

[rulefan]

By the way, does anyone know the outcome of the trialling of returning scores from matchplay in Ireland?

I understood the idea had been abandoned.

 

[Colin L]

I understood the idea had been abandoned.

Thanks.

 

[Voyager EMH]

It’s been 4 hours since the last message of repetition - is the thread broken?

Some might say that it is broken, but others will defend it as essentially good and it is only those who misuse it that are the problem.
Stating that it is broken, without substantial analysis and/or proof, will be met with much scorn, I suspect.
I look forward to reading lengthy discussion on whether the thread is broken.

 

[D-S]

By the way, does anyone know the outcome of the trialling of returning scores from matchplay in Ireland?

It never happened.

 

[D-S]

In the CONGU countries it isn't. In other areas such as the USA, it is. In time, CONGU might move to accepting match play scores, although I would hope not. It's possible of course to do it but I fear it would have an adverse effect on match play. For your score you would have to play by stroke play rules. Just two examples. Having to hole out every hole is the most obvious but affects both/all players. Your opponent plays a wrong ball and you have won the hole but for the opponent's score he has to go back, find the right ball and play the hole out or not find the right ball and go even further back under stroke and distance. What are you doing in the meantime? What is that doing to the momentum of the match?

By the way, does anyone know the outcome of the trialling of returning scores from matchplay in Ireland?

You wouldn’t have to hole out on every hole for the score to be acceptable, they would just introduce ‘Most Likley Score’ which is used in a lot of jurisdictions in order to make matchplay, team and 4BB scores acceptable.