I'm amazed that you would think that if you played in a home qualifying comp on a Saturday and shot 6 under and if you were playing in an open comp elsewhere the following day, you believed you would still be playing off your original handicap because you weren't told or informed of your exact reduction, seriously!
I'm amazed that you would think that if you played in a home qualifying comp on a Saturday and shot 6 under and if you were playing in an open comp elsewhere the following day, you believed you would still be playing off your original handicap because you weren't told or informed of your exact reduction, seriously!
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vkurup
Guest
For those who said that I should not have entered in the first place. Went back to revisit the rules of the Nike comp... 'Each competitor must be a current member of a golf club and have an ACTIVE handicap issued by a CONGU affiliated golf club. Current handicap certificates must be taken to each match and shown to the opponent before the match commences. If a competitor does not provide a handicap certificate on the day of the match he/she must provide proof of handicap to the organisers within 48 hours of completion of the match if requested by the opponent.'
True, I did not have a HC card when I enrolled, but I waited for my card before my first game. I am open to DQ if i played w/o my HC, but that is not the case. (...grenade incoming)
ps: One helluva a thread..
True, I did not have a HC card when I enrolled, but I waited for my card before my first game. I am open to DQ if i played w/o my HC, but that is not the case. (...grenade incoming)
ps: One helluva a thread..
North Mimms
Tour Winner
sounds like neither of you read the instructions before turning up without your hcp certificates.
I am not a fan of winning a knockout match on a technicality, but playing off the wrong hcp is more than just a techicality.
You are quite within your rights to contact the organisers and ask for evidence of what hcp he SHOULD have played off that day.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Absolutely, it's cheating of the highest order.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
I'm amazed that people can play golf long enough to get a handicap in the mid teens and still not know about self adjusting their hcp if they score under SSS. Fair enough if they don't know exactly how to work it out (back of an envelope sufficient, no calculator required) but they should know it has to be done and get someone to help them work it out.
I knew that when my handicap was still in the thirties!
I knew that when my handicap was still in the thirties!
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vkurup
Guest
He mentioned he has been playing for only 20 years, so not too long.
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
my new h/c would be done when I entered my result in the computer so I could use that,been on the phone to a number of golfing buddies to-day and none knew about self adjusting if you had a descent knock and all relied on the club to adjust,does this go for friendly games as well, as we all know everyone could have a good round but a terrible one next time out,could someone put a quick guide on how I should adjust and when,thanks
rosecott
Money List Winner
Extract from the "responsibilities of the player" section of the CONGU handbook:
"16.11 If a player returns a Qualifying Score or Scores below his Playing Handicap at his Home Club or away and is unable to:
(a) report an away score(s) to his Home Club or
(b) ascertain whether or not his Playing Handicap has been reduced as a result of the score(s)
he shall, before playing in another competition at his Home Club or away, for that competition make such reduction to his Playing Handicap as shall be appropriate under the System by applying the Competition Scratch Score if known, otherwise the Standard Scratch Score, to calculate his Nett Differential and handicap reduction.
Should a player not know his Exact Handicap, such reduction should be made from his Playing Handicap less 0.5, (e.g. If Playing Handicap is 16 then reduction should be from 15.5)."
The appropriate reductions are 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5 per stroke below SSS/CSS for players in Cat 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 respectively.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Of course you don't adjust your hcp after every friendly knock... just after a Qualifiying competition, and only if you play under the SSS. You don't self adjust upwards.
Your new hcp wouldn't be produced when you put your scores into the computer... only when the competition was closed and CSS calculated for the entire field. In the meantime, you adjust - if required- based on SSS and use that if you play in another qualifier before the results are published. Whether or not you use this interim hcp for any bounce games in the meantime is up to you and your mates but you might as well.
Shame your golfing buddies also seem pretty vague about the basics of hcps. Maybe your Club needs to do some education
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
just to add some humour into this 'heavy thread' - in today's (away) club match one of our opponents played of a higher handicap than was posted to their board 4 days earlier.........total shock when it was pointed out!
On our Captains weekend last week, he (and the lady captain) gave out a newly designed, personalised, rule book. Nice touch I thought :thup:
I do use the R&A app quite a lot on my phone, so easy to use and search for discrepancies quickly.
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
i noticed the rules says if I shot BELOW my stated h/c,i never said I had I actually shot my exact h/c so I would not have had to adjust anything,as for the friendly games I wasn't referring to an adjustment but if your playing better than your h/c in friendly games the onus surly is to tell the club you think your better than the h/c issued,hand on heart how many have gone to the h/c committee and said I know you gave me an 18 h/c but I have just played to a 16 in the swindle,you would be laughed out of the room.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
don't understand what you are saying here - makes no sense to me at all, either within the context of this thread or outside it!
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
I think its a wind up now Duncan and have given up on it, how someone on 8.2 and has played for years can have such an outlook on this and be so un- knowledgeable of the basics of being responsible for your own handicap, especially when playing away in Opens, well I'm bemused by it all.
I'm out :thup:
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Wait for me Fish..I'm out too. There's too much obtuse thinking going on here...
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vkurup
Guest
Just a quick update (before everyone bails out)
I had a chat with the guys who run the Nike tour. He was categorical that 'player has to be responsible for his/her HC. If he had shot 5 under, then he should have played off a lower HC w/o waiting for an official update. So he may be DQed'. The guy was going to call my opponent and investigate. So we shall see.
Given where we both are, I would have conceded the game as I think I have learnt a lot now. However, considering that he may not play future rounds and that he has been playing golf for about 20 year and hence may have know this situation better; makes me rethink the concede.
We will wait & see.
I had a chat with the guys who run the Nike tour. He was categorical that 'player has to be responsible for his/her HC. If he had shot 5 under, then he should have played off a lower HC w/o waiting for an official update. So he may be DQed'. The guy was going to call my opponent and investigate. So we shall see.
Given where we both are, I would have conceded the game as I think I have learnt a lot now. However, considering that he may not play future rounds and that he has been playing golf for about 20 year and hence may have know this situation better; makes me rethink the concede.
We will wait & see.
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
thats one way of putting it ...... :mmm:
North Mimms
Tour Winner
I don't see why you should concede the game. I don't think you can tell the organisers NOT to DQ someone who has broken one of the fundementals of golf which is to play off the correct hcp.
And note to Nike tour organsiers.... there's no "may" about it.
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
IMO and in light that he cant play in future rounds and has played off a false H/cap regardless of the affect it would of had on the result, i would be putting you through. Cant see any point in him arguing his case and then just letting the next guy have a walkover????
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