Farleigh Court Golf Club BANNED me from their driving range today!!

[Vice]

Whilst I support JustOne and commend what he is doing, one thing that stood out in this thread is ...

When we're there EVERYONE watches.

you would still gain the attention of those practising (we had an AUDIENCE at one point)

I've never seen casual "mates" at the range draw a crowd before, but maybe I just practise at the wrong range?

This is possibly where a line was crossed. What might have happened is someone went inside and asked to book lessons with the new guy, which would explain their reaction.

 

[garyinderry]

find a range that is not connected to a pro.

 

[john0]

find a range that is not connected to a pro.

And maybe one that is looking for a pro

 

[la_lucha]

How is he taking business away from them? he is bringing a friend who never uses that range or that pro to the range , purchasing balls and food and doing their own thing away down the range ? surely money gained rather than lost ?

Just curious of your opinion if this was his brother from America that was home for the week he was teaching , and he spent all week down the range together , would there then be a problem ? as i say just curious

By the way & for the record i can see why the pro is peeved off , i just dont see how he has broken any rules helping friends thats all

If you were selling your son your old BMW would you do it at the BMW forecourt or at home?

 

[Airlie_Andy]

If you were selling your son your old BMW would you do it at the BMW forecourt or at home?

That's not even remotely the same thing.

 

[la_lucha]

That's not even remotely the same thing.

It is. It's offering a service for a reduced rate on the business premises. JO seems to be offering this service on a national Golfing Forum, not just to his mates from down the Pub.

I'm talking business minded and not the practicalities of the whole thing.

 

[Jimbooo]

How would any of us react if one day a week someone did our jobs for nothing just because they loved doing it?

That would be great - I'd be off for a round of golf!

 

[CMAC]

I am considering writing the the R&A to ask why people can't have lessons from whomever they want, and what gives a pro the right to stop that from happening... if you want to be taught by someone you trust then why shouldn't you be? and maybe something to do with people who simply can't afford lessons with a pro so opt for other avenues also not being 'allowed'. This is oddly sounding like childs play.... we're adults and should be taught by whomever we want to be taught by surely? no? are we naughty kids?

What else should I put?

..they can

....they can't :smirk:

 

[FairwayDodger]

John Jacobs will be along in a minute to ban you from the forum......

 

[bladeplayer]

Bladeplayer you can’t in all honesty compare 'helping a mate' what JO is generously doing

As he doesnt charge anything for it i do regard it as helping , yes

He is running half day/full day extended lessons in meticulous detail with video/stills & training aids for multiple different students and paying nothing for the range facilities he intends to use as a training/teaching venue, with no credit given to the range & in full view of the other range users

I didnt realise it was as in depth & yes i can see how this would attract attention , & upset the pro

Buying a bucket of balls or multiples thereof does not entitle anyone to set up temporary free business at someone else’s range & use it as a training venue to teach golf to a series of ‘mates’ regardless of how far from home it is

I see it as extra business because they otherwise would not use this range therefore not contribute anything at all .. some money in has to be better than no money at all

JO may value his services as free of charge but that doesn’t make them worthless and he really shouldn’t expect others to value their services/facilities for free just because he does

he is paying to use the balls etc as is everyone else that uses the range , the facility is there , if people dont use it it will suffer

How would any of us react if one day a week someone did our jobs for nothing just because they loved doing it?

Very valid point ..

 

[bladeplayer]

If you were selling your son your old BMW would you do it at the BMW forecourt or at home?

That's not even remotely the same thing.

It is. It's offering a service for a reduced rate on the business premises. JO seems to be offering this service on a national Golfing Forum, not just to his mates from down the Pub.

I'm talking business minded and not the practicalities of the whole thing.

Its not realy the same but i do see the point you are trying to make , but the point remains for me is that he is not taking any business from the resident pro , he is bringing non users to the range to help them .. increasing the range business if not the lesson business .. i dont know but id bet the percentage of range users that actualy book lessons off the pro is very low if my own place is anything to go by ..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Does this not boil down to the fact that if you were getting a new boiler fitted would you use a Corgi registered heating engineer.

OR

Some nice unqualified bloke you met down the pub last week who said he would do it for free as a favour.

 

[bigslice]

Does this not boil down to the fact that if you were getting a new boiler fitted would you use a Gas Safe Registered heating engineer.

OR

Some nice unqualified bloke you met down the pub last week who said he would do it for free as a favour.

fixed:thup:

 

[john0]

Does this not boil down to the fact that if you were getting a new boiler fitted would you use a Corgi registered heating engineer.

OR

Some nice unqualified bloke you met down the pub last week who said he would do it for free as a favour.

Bollox!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

fixed:thup:

Showing my age .....again!

 

[woody69]

The answer is really quite simple.

Find a new range, but before you take anyone else there speak to the manager/pro and explain what you are doing and ask if they have a problem with it.

 

[Airlie_Andy]

It is. It's offering a service for a reduced rate on the business premises. JO seems to be offering this service on a national Golfing Forum, not just to his mates from down the Pub.

I'm talking business minded and not the practicalities of the whole thing.

It's really not.

First of all JO isn't selling anything so using the analogy of selling a car is not the same.

Second of all the car dealership is only there to sell cars not to provide somewhere for people to go and practice selling cars and perhaps take lessons on how to sell cars.

For me the distinction is based on what the driving range sells itself as. If it sells itself as a golf "school" that also allows you to use the facilities for a fee then they have a legitimate reason to expect anyone giving "tuition" there to have to pay for the use of the facilities regardless of whether or not they are charging there students. If, however, it sells itself as a driving range then the primary aim of that business is to provide facilities for customers to practice hitting golf balls and if you choose to bring along your own coach that shouldn't be a problem IMO as you are still using the facilities as intended.

A more suitable analogy would be going to the local swimming pool paying to use the facilities and getting a friend to teach you how to swim. Should you be kicked out for not paying the swimming pool extra to provide the lessons instead?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

A different way of looking at it.

A relative of mine was a well respected PGA golf coach. He did a lot of work with the SGU on their top young players. Four or five went on to Walker/Curtis /Ryder Cup standard and he helped many become British and Scottish champions.

He was badgered to produce a golf instruction book by publishers but always refused as, in his words, 'all I know about golf would only fill two pages'
Top players were traveling miles for lessons. These lessons averaged about 45 minutes and sometimes, if things were good, 30 minutes.

I know it is a different era but here was a guy imparting his golfing knowledge on the countries top players in an easy to understand and implement manner.
God knows what he would have said about an amateur coach boasting about 9 hour and 12 hour sessions with pupils.

 

[Jimbooo]

A different way of looking at it.

A relative of mine was a well respected PGA golf coach. He did a lot of work with the SGU on their top young players. Four or five went on to Walker/Curtis /Ryder Cup standard and he helped many become British and Scottish champions.

He was badgered to produce a golf instruction book by publishers but always refused as, in his words, 'all I know about golf would only fill two pages'
Top players were traveling miles for lessons. These lessons averaged about 45 minutes and sometimes, if things were good, 30 minutes.

I know it is a different era but here was a guy imparting his golfing knowledge on the countries top players in an easy to understand and implement manner.
God knows what he would have said about an amateur coach boasting about 9 hour and 12 hour sessions with pupils.

I'm guessing there are plenty of PGA qualified coaches that also offer "day schools" for their students.

 

[patricks148]

It's really not.

First of all JO isn't selling anything so using the analogy of selling a car is not the same.

Second of all the car dealership is only there to sell cars not to provide somewhere for people to go and practice selling cars and perhaps take lessons on how to sell cars.

For me the distinction is based on what the driving range sells itself as. If it sells itself as a golf "school" that also allows you to use the facilities for a fee then they have a legitimate reason to expect anyone giving "tuition" there to have to pay for the use of the facilities regardless of whether or not they are charging there students. If, however, it sells itself as a driving range then the primary aim of that business is to provide facilities for customers to practice hitting golf balls and if you choose to bring along your own coach that shouldn't be a problem IMO as you are still using the facilities as intended.

A more suitable analogy would be going to the local swimming pool paying to use the facilities and getting a friend to teach you how to swim. Should you be kicked out for not paying the swimming pool extra to provide the lessons instead?

Only if you took up a lane while doing it or gave lessons while they were running lessons?