Hackmotion golf

[adasko]

I've seen couple people on forum recently bought hackmotion and was wondering how you guys getting on with it.
I received mine yesterday and used it twice at the range. Initial thoughts I really like it. To my surprise my wrist was doing opposite to what I felt.
Noticed that having correct wrist through the swing allowed me to use my lower body better and quiet down my hands.

 

[HPIMG]

I got one last month after watching a few YouTube videos looks like a great device but I’ve been so tired lately. I am hammering the gym all through December with the intention of starting speed training and hack motion training in January. Be good to keep a thread open for everyone using them to see how they get on.

 

[PaulMdj]

Got one for Christmas and combined the level one with a lesson today, struggling with getting my wrists correct at impact so Pro gave me a couple of drills to try.

 

[bobmac]

I've never heard of it untill now.
Seems like a lot of money but if it helps, go for it

 

[VVega]

Mine arrived yesterday. My first impressions - it could as well be called ShankMotion In my first session it got me quickly hitting a variety of poor shots but with correctly flexed wrist. Couldn’t hit a good shot even when I stopped trying to keep the wrist angles.

So you’ve been warned. Try it at your own peril

I’ll see if I recover today or it’d be the quickest return ever. The main limitations I see so far:

— it gives you green ticks for flexed wrists on poor shots in its drills

— it tries to be very precise (“+1* degree extended”) but ultimately it can’t be as it’s moves in the wrist during the swing and is not properly calibrated to level anyway (even their instructions say for calibration: “don’t overthink it”)

 

[PaulMdj]

Mine arrived yesterday. My first impressions - it could as well be called ShankMotion In my first session it got me quickly hitting a variety of poor shots but with correctly flexed wrist. Couldn’t hit a good shot even when I stopped trying to keep the wrist angles.

So you’ve been warned. Try it at your own peril

I’ll see if I recover today or it’d be the quickest return ever. The main limitations I see so far:

— it gives you green ticks for flexed wrists on poor shots in its drills

— it tries to be very precise (“+1* degree extended”) but ultimately it can’t be as it’s moves in the wrist during the swing and is not properly calibrated to level anyway (even their instructions say for calibration: “don’t overthink it”)

Keep going, had mine a fortnight and nearly sent it back
Played on saturday and certainly felt like I’d hit some cleaner/better shots, level 1 is frustrating.

 

[VVega]

Keep going, had mine a fortnight and nearly sent it back
Played on saturday and certainly felt like I’d hit some cleaner/better shots, level 1 is frustrating.

Thanks though I’ve managed to get through all levels by hitting horrendous shots but keeping the right flex

 

[PaulMdj]

Thanks though I’ve managed to get through all levels by hitting horrendous shots but keeping the right flex

I’ll give it 6 months and intend to give it a proper go.

 

[Golf is fun]

I like the concept of applying tech and objective measurements, but I think the danger with something like Hackmotion is that it's only looking at a couple of data points in isolation.

The wrist positions it will help you achieve are the effect of lots of things happening in the golf swing. Purposely manipulating them to achieve that certain position won't help if the other pieces aren't there. If your coach has identified that the wrist positions specifically are the issue, or you have (and understand) other data points for the other pieces of the swing you need to work on then it will be great, but if it's not what you need to work on and/or you don't have the data it could just be an expensive waste of time.

 

[VVega]

Tried

I like the concept of applying tech and objective measurements, but I think the danger with something like Hackmotion is that it's only looking at a couple of data points in isolation.

The wrist positions it will help you achieve are the effect of lots of things happening in the golf swing. Purposely manipulating them to achieve that certain position won't help if the other pieces aren't there. If your coach has identified that the wrist positions specifically are the issue, or you have (and understand) other data points for the other pieces of the swing you need to work on then it will be great, but if it's not what you need to work on and/or you don't have the data it could just be an expensive waste of time.

For me personally it is in theory a great tool for the problem area identified via lessons and launch monitor data. Whether it’s helpful or not to work in this area is a different question.

 

[PaulMdj]

Tried

For me personally it is in theory a great tool for the problem area identified via lessons and launch monitor data. Whether it’s helpful or not to work in this area is a different question.

Me too, had a lesson the other day, Pro had read up on Hackmotion as he knew what I was looking for from lessons, he concurred with the drills to help me get me into the correct positions, with an extra drill added.

 

[VVega]

A quick update. Tried today in “free practice mode” and was hitting normal shots. Just focusing on hitting good shots with the device only contributing to what is like to feel on the follow through.

Trying to understand the data discovered that they dynamically calculate the target ranges for top/impact based on the address position. While it’s logical it’s not great as for me the address is a dynamic position, don’t want to freeze before the shot, therefore their number at address will be quite variable.

The app does have a feature to set your own target ranges which is what I might try to do.

For anyone curious enough, this is a good summary of their insights:

Key Learnings from HackMotion: Player Data and Insights

With more than 1,000,000 golf swings recorded, we have made in-depth discoveries about the golf swing, wrist action, ball flight control, and more.

hackmotion.com

A question to other users, what’s your your numbers, in particular the top position? The article says that most amateurs have a very cupped position of -24* — that’s a lot — vs pros at -14*.

Mine at the top is less than 10. My better averages are address/top/impact: +12/-6/+3.

 

[PaulMdj]

I like the concept of applying tech and objective measurements, but I think the danger with something like Hackmotion is that it's only looking at a couple of data points in isolation.

The wrist positions it will help you achieve are the effect of lots of things happening in the golf swing. Purposely manipulating them to achieve that certain position won't help if the other pieces aren't there. If your coach has identified that the wrist positions specifically are the issue, or you have (and understand) other data points for the other pieces of the swing you need to work on then it will be great, but if it's not what you need to work on and/or you don't have the data it could just be an expensive waste of time.

Have you had a look at Hackmotion as I disagree it’s only looking at a couple of data points in isolation.

Once you start using the App it has a library of drills working on all aspects of the swing and body positions etc to back up were the wrists should be.

 

[PaulMdj]

A quick update. Tried today in “free practice mode” and was hitting normal shots. Just focusing on hitting good shots with the device only contributing to what is like to feel on the follow through.

Trying to understand the data discovered that they dynamically calculate the target ranges for top/impact based on the address position. While it’s logical it’s not great as for me the address is a dynamic position, don’t want to freeze before the shot, therefore their number at address will be quite variable.

The app does have a feature to set your own target ranges which is what I might try to do.

For anyone curious enough, this is a good summary of their insights:

Key Learnings from HackMotion: Player Data and Insights

With more than 1,000,000 golf swings recorded, we have made in-depth discoveries about the golf swing, wrist action, ball flight control, and more.

hackmotion.com

A question to other users, what’s your your numbers, in particular the top position? The article says that most amateurs have a very cupped position of -24* — that’s a lot — vs pros at -14*.

Mine at the top is less than 10. My better averages are address/top/impact: +12/-6/+3.

Did my first session in simulator room on 11/12 and my average was -2/+1/-4, 6 out of 10 shots had me in range at the top, but zero in range at impact, struggling with too much extension/flipping at impact.

Back in the simulator over next few days so I’ll repeat it.

 

[VVega]

Did my first session in simulator room on 11/12 and my average was -2/+1/-4, 6 out of 10 shots had me in range at the top, but zero in range at impact, struggling with too much extension/flipping at impact.

Back in the simulator over next few days so I’ll repeat it.

Interesting, this is exactly the problem though. I’d be very happy with -4 at impact, yet for you it calculates that it’s not in range because you were already -2 at address. I’d say be careful in numbers you choose to chase

 

[chrisd]

I've bought Hackmotion off EBay a few weeks ago and and rather peed off that I've hurt my wrist in an accidental fall so I'm finding the positions required a bit painful. I found out (before the fall) that I was ever so slightly flipping a lot of the time so I need to find a cure for that. Overall though, I like the data it provides and am sure it will eventually help me to better striking of the ball. I'm soon the have regular access to an indoor practice facility and feel sure that the Hackmotion along with the video and data from a launch monitor will sort out a few things

 

[PaulMdj]

Interesting, this is exactly the problem though. I’d be very happy with -4 at impact, yet for you it calculates that it’s not in range because you were already -2 at address. I’d say be careful in numbers you choose to chase

To be honest, the only numbers I’ll chase is my accuracy on the course, my biggest issue is inconsistencey in to the greens.

 

[adasko]

A question to other users, what’s your your numbers, in particular the top position? The article says that most amateurs have a very cupped position of -24* — that’s a lot — vs pros at -14*.

Mine at the top is less than 10. My better averages are address/top/impact: +12/-6/+3.

my best swings was 0/0/-24 on average I was +16/+6/-8
I wouldn't worry about the address number, it's just a starting point for hackmotion.
Have a look here it explains ranges well

Understanding Target Ranges - HackMotion

To maximize the benefits of the HackMotion device, it is essential to comprehend the target ranges and understand the underlying principles behind them.

hackmotion.com

 

[VVega]

I wouldn't worry about the address number, it's just a starting point for hackmotion.

Exactly, meaning your target ranges are linked to it as explained in this article. Which personally I think is a flawed assumption.

Also, as explained in another article, the flextion patterns depend on the swing type, meaning their “standard” ranges is an over simplification at best.

How Body Orientation Supports Tour Player Wrist Motion

PGA Canada Coach of the Year Scott Cowx describes two common tour player release patterns and explains how body orientation supports it.

hackmotion.com

 

[Golf is fun]

Have you had a look at Hackmotion as I disagree it’s only looking at a couple of data points in isolation.

Once you start using the App it has a library of drills working on all aspects of the swing and body positions etc to back up were the wrists should be.

I've used one with my coach, so yes I have. It was useful to collect some data, but it showed my wrists were moving how we wanted so it wasn't particularly useful to me.

I'm not saying it's useless, I'm simply saying it could be dangerous in the wrong circumstances. Akin to someone talking about tools and asking if a hammer is good. It's just a tool, but whether it will help you or cause you pain does depend on whether the problem you are trying to solve is to drive a nail or a screw.