virtuocity
Tour Winner
Would you say the same if the pupil was a 10 year old son or a wife of the teacher?
Farleigh Court Golf Club BANNED me from their driving range today!!
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Would you say the same if the pupil was a 10 year old son or a wife of the teacher?
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
The guys pay £6.50 for 100 balls, so we've probably invested about £650 in the club so far
We've also had food, drinks, a couple of bits from the pro shop and several green fees.... and maybe inspired some of the guys on the range to go have a lesson with one of the pros.
Robobum
Money List Winner
Inspirational!! Brilliant.......
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Do you hire the bay when you go to the range? Or do you just pay for the balls like JO??
Foxholer
Blackballed
On a related, but slightly Off Topic subject - I'm to lazy to start another thread...
How are Gibbo's and Virtuocity's swing looking now - after almost 1 month?
Too early to assess the stickability of Jimboo's and Midnight has only just started the process.
But definitely interested how many of the earlier pupils changes have stuck.
And have there been any better scores/handicap changes as a result? It's scores that really matter of course!
How are Gibbo's and Virtuocity's swing looking now - after almost 1 month?
Too early to assess the stickability of Jimboo's and Midnight has only just started the process.
But definitely interested how many of the earlier pupils changes have stuck.
And have there been any better scores/handicap changes as a result? It's scores that really matter of course!
virtuocity
Tour Winner
If the question was aimed at James:
a) why? what's it to do with him?
b) James hasn't been up to Scotland yet and I haven't flown to Gatwick either, so he won't know what my swing is like
If the question was aimed at me:
If you click on my name, you'll have an option to PM me. I'll be happy to discuss my swing with you. I've done loads of typing today (for boring reasons) and would be happy to give you a call if you're REALLY interested in the state of my swing? Are you interested? Or is it more to do with your ongoing crusade of 'beating' or discrediting your cigarette-smoking buddy?
Go on, it's good to talk. But beware- I had a personal best round my home course yesterday and I haven't bragged to anyone yet so you may take the brunt of that!!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Aimed at any/all - whoever picks the question up first. I would have expected James to be ongoingly interested. He did, after all, have quite a bit to do with it!
That was all the info I was after. Good to hear. Well done!
Yes, I'm interested in how well the changes have stuck - and believe it's something others would be interested in too. Quite a change from the (half) hour Pro lesson, involving 1 or 2 changes to imbed each time and comparing the stickability of a day's worth of changes is quite relevant to a comparison of the benefits of each.
The rest of your assaultive questioning about my motives is simply wrong.
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
No idea.
Virtuocity has PM'd me saying that he's been hitting the ball better than his wildest dreams
but I can dream pretty big. I don't know what his swing ACTUALLY looks like or whether he's implementing (properly) any of the things we discussed. He could be swinging it round his ankles for all I know.And it's the same with Gibbo, he sent me messages saying that he was blasting the ball, then wasn't, then was again. I don't know what he's working on, whether he's implementing any of it (properly), what his swing looks like, or what he's doing in fact.
@Virtuocity:
Congrats on a PB mate :thup:.. don't recall receiving a text saying "Wooohhoooo!!" last night
(lolololol)
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Interesting to see you have body swerved replying to the posters who have posted they are not in the least but surprised.
For the record I am amazed that you are surprised at being told to clear off.
Actually......thinking about it I am not.
For the record I am amazed that you are surprised at being told to clear off.
Actually......thinking about it I am not.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I said in post #5 that I can see why it would be an issue for me to be there.
I was/am disappointed that the system is that you can't teach there if you're a qualified instructor (as they don't give permission for other pros to use their facilities), and you can't teach there if you're an amateur (even for free)... it doesn't leave many options does it?
If this is how golf is going to 'grow' then it's strange way to do it IMO.
I was there with Midnight, he now feels better about his game, might well buy new clubs, play at new courses, teach his son to play the game, buy tees, buy gloves, talk about golf with his mates and get them into the game, and perhaps even see his own pro for lessons, he might bring another 4 or 5 people into the game in his lifetime, who knows!....... or he might have just quit.
And as to your snotty sentiment, I'm surprised that someone like yourself who apparently works within a golf club is so up on his own high horse.....
Actually (using your own words)......thinking about it I am not.
I was/am disappointed that the system is that you can't teach there if you're a qualified instructor (as they don't give permission for other pros to use their facilities), and you can't teach there if you're an amateur (even for free)... it doesn't leave many options does it?
If this is how golf is going to 'grow' then it's strange way to do it IMO.
I was there with Midnight, he now feels better about his game, might well buy new clubs, play at new courses, teach his son to play the game, buy tees, buy gloves, talk about golf with his mates and get them into the game, and perhaps even see his own pro for lessons, he might bring another 4 or 5 people into the game in his lifetime, who knows!....... or he might have just quit.
And as to your snotty sentiment, I'm surprised that someone like yourself who apparently works within a golf club is so up on his own high horse.....
Actually (using your own words)......thinking about it I am not.
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Sledgehammer
Medal Winner
Fancy coming to East London to teach me?
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
If you want.
You can PM me if you're serious.
You can PM me if you're serious.
Jimbooo
Challenge Tour Pro
What's disappointing is that on Wednesdsay, we had a good (as in nice, friendly) 10 minute conversation with the Pro there, and all parties left in agreement that it was fine for James to continue what he was doing, as long as no money changed hands (agree how would he know?) and that he wasn't approaching other members. James even mentioned he'd be there again at the weekend (all day) with someone else, and the pro accepted this with no issue.
What I also find disappointing is that it seems the only way to become PGA qualified to teach golf is to run a shop for 3 years, selling mars bars, re-gripping clubs etc (and paying 12k for the privilege). You can't (according to the Farleigh pro) just do it by learning to be an instructor - you have to do the whole "club pro" package.
Foxholer... in regards to my swing and how it's coming on... I'll post some more vids soon
What I also find disappointing is that it seems the only way to become PGA qualified to teach golf is to run a shop for 3 years, selling mars bars, re-gripping clubs etc (and paying 12k for the privilege). You can't (according to the Farleigh pro) just do it by learning to be an instructor - you have to do the whole "club pro" package.
Foxholer... in regards to my swing and how it's coming on... I'll post some more vids soon
chrisd
Major Champion
Jimbooo
Challenge Tour Pro
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Can't believe a bloke can get so much grief for helping people out
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I can see the pro wanting to "protect their turf" and keep their tuition business to themselves but you've made it abundantly clear you aren't there for profit or to poach their business so I can't see what more you can do. The only way forward I can see is to call this guy on the phone and have a frank and honest discussion about your motives and intentions and see where it takes you. My biggest concern may be that word of mouth spreads and so using other facilities may begin to prove equally difficult
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
To be honest the PGA has got a bit elitist, the options to become qualified are frankly ridiculous, there are people out there who would be great, but the 2 available routes in are not suitable. Looking at the 3 year course at university, may prepare people well, but there are only 29 places and 130 people applied, then you have the sit in a shop for a minimum of 30hrs a week for 3 years... Will you get the best people? But then I generally think education is poor, and the time devoted to it is wasted in that GCSE's should be one in 6 months and A'levels in a year, other qualifications I really don't care about. Regarding degrees well they are not all equal but this is lost ... But never mind all that.
Just sort your self out with your own range or cyber office and stuff all this cobbler!
Just sort your self out with your own range or cyber office and stuff all this cobbler!
Jimbooo
Challenge Tour Pro
The other problem, it seems, is that if/when you DO get PGA qualified.... where you gonna teach? Unless you are the pro at an existing club, it looks like it's very hard to find anywhere that will let you coach, so you'd have to set up your own range or trackman-studio etc, or just do online lessons (e.g. swingfix).
MGL
Challenge Tour Pro
The best way to think of the PGA is as a union - and therefore that gives you an idea as to their general attitudes.
There are plenty of PGA pro's who have no fixed base of their own and pay a 'facility' fee to where they might have an arrangement to teach. They are simply protecting their turf as you well know and no amount of reasoning in the situations you describe would make much difference to 'union' guys!
You obviously have a passion for what you are doing but there is no doubt that the PGA guys will simply not believe you when you say your not charging. See comment number one above - they belong to a union!
There are one or two times when I've gone to hand clubs over to people at a different range and I've just rang up in advance to speak to the pro or the manager to explain that I'm not 'working' as such, just handing over and checking a couple of details. They were fine although I suppose it helped that I am in the 'trade' so to speak even though not PGA.
I also remember a time I went to Close House just outside Newcastle with two friends. We were messing about with different driver heads and different shafts (definitely not working - just messing about) and I rang to tell them what we wanted to do. The biggest problem was that they have a 'no bags' rule on the range so I had to carry everything in by hand which was a PITA.
If people like what your doing and are happy to drive two hours to see you then stick at it - just have an understanding of the obvious 'politics' involved and try and find somewhere friendly.
There are plenty of PGA pro's who have no fixed base of their own and pay a 'facility' fee to where they might have an arrangement to teach. They are simply protecting their turf as you well know and no amount of reasoning in the situations you describe would make much difference to 'union' guys!
You obviously have a passion for what you are doing but there is no doubt that the PGA guys will simply not believe you when you say your not charging. See comment number one above - they belong to a union!
There are one or two times when I've gone to hand clubs over to people at a different range and I've just rang up in advance to speak to the pro or the manager to explain that I'm not 'working' as such, just handing over and checking a couple of details. They were fine although I suppose it helped that I am in the 'trade' so to speak even though not PGA.
I also remember a time I went to Close House just outside Newcastle with two friends. We were messing about with different driver heads and different shafts (definitely not working - just messing about) and I rang to tell them what we wanted to do. The biggest problem was that they have a 'no bags' rule on the range so I had to carry everything in by hand which was a PITA.
If people like what your doing and are happy to drive two hours to see you then stick at it - just have an understanding of the obvious 'politics' involved and try and find somewhere friendly.
