rosecott
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That would almost certainly be due to a re-assessment requested by the club, probably springing from changes to the course.
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That would almost certainly be due to a re-assessment requested by the club, probably springing from changes to the course.
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We have had the head assessor come to us to give us guidelines on keeping our SSS as it is maybe increasing - a number of changes were recommended that we are applying , not just about length anymore
rosecott
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Well, they do, but looking down the wrong end of the telescope. As the number above buffer increase, so do the numbers in buffer or better decrease and it is the latter as a proportion of the total in field that determines the change in CSS.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Is it preferable that Par and SSS are the same?
Seems to me that it would be as a discrepancy of a few shots would surely in a medal round make it harder to keep track of your scoring for handicap purposes (if you assume that playing conditions are such that CSS is going to be likely to be same as SSS).
Seems to me that it would be as a discrepancy of a few shots would surely in a medal round make it harder to keep track of your scoring for handicap purposes (if you assume that playing conditions are such that CSS is going to be likely to be same as SSS).
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I think Imurg is a big fan of css.
chrisd
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It was certainly at our request. A few changes but we always felt it was wrong before the change
rosecott
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If you read my post #14, you will see that Par and SSS are chalk and cheese. I suspect that the majority of handicap golfers, if they were to keep track of their scores for handicapping purposes, do not have the necessary skills to change the situation significantly.
Foxholer
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I've always preferred courses that have SSS 1 shot more than Par. The 'toughness' of such courses is normally due to either tightness of accuracy requirements, which seem to suit my game, as opposed to sheer length - which doesn't!
Courses that have SSS more than 1 shot below Par can be extremely frustrating for low-cappers (low cat 2 ad below). Their attitude on virtually every hole has to be 'how do I birdie this hole', which has great potential to cause a lot of frustration if their game (particularly 150 in) isn't quite there on any day!
duncan mackie
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Poppycock 🤔
Par is no more relevant a measure for everyone when standing on the tee of a single hole as it is over the whole round (as a measure of relative performance). It's an almost arbitrary number based losely on distance and frequently adjusted nowadays to give the impression of a bigger course than is really the case (for shorter courses), with it's roots in a newspaper article trying to explain the relative performance of new fangled professional golfers to an audience who knew nothing about the game at all (those that did were familiar with the use of bogey ratings.
SSS on the other hand, is a simple concept against which any golfer can instantly compare their performance on any course with their performance on any other; in a meaningful way. You can even keep track of your performance as you go round if you wish (although I've never found any benefit at all in doing this in detail - only downsides).
Fortunately we will all move to a system where your handicap changes depending on the course and tees; and par will again be King - so those that like it that way will be happy. Bar conversations starting with the question "so, what's your handicap then?" will however take a lot, lot, longer to establish who's actually the stronger golfer in a group who play at different courses!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I know this. And I am not thinking of courses where par and SSS are close. I am more thinking of a course where - let's just say - par is 67 and SSS is 72. Extreme I know, but just to illustrate my question. When I play that course as I go round I measure myself and keep my score against par. So let's say I am standing on the 17th tee and I am 12 over par off a 10 handicap. What do I have to score relative to par over the final two holes to avoid going up 0.1?
This may be very easy - but having par and SSS the same would certainly make my considerations very easy.
rosecott
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Remedy - stop thinking par, start thinking SSS. If I stand on the 17th tee, I'm usually thinking I need 6 points on the last two holes to reach 33 and into buffer.
bobmac
Major Champion
What has the par or SSS got to do with how you play the last 2 holes?
bobmac
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If I stand on the 17th tee, I'm usually thinking I need to play this hole the best I can. I'll think about the 18th when I get there
sawtooth
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Jezz did this GM article on it.
http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/features/the-game/sss-css-nutshell-64718
http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/features/the-game/sss-css-nutshell-64718
It is an area that complicates golf and to a non golfer, or to many existing golfers, it doesn't make sense. All chat in golf is about par, par is king.
The explanations given have clarified to me what SSS is about but it does add a layer of confusion to the casual player / viewer. I'm with Swingit on this one.
you can play those holes in 3 over and you are forgetting your two shot buffer, thats plying to handicap. so 84 gross to your example.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
That's assuming 33 is your buffer.....you may need 34, you may need 32, you just don't know.
I've stopped really worrying about SSS/CSS as I'm not in control of it. I just hit the ball as few times as I can and let those that think it's a good idea tell me what my handicap is..
Is SSS the golf version of Duckworth Lewis?
Orikoru
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None of this makes any sense to me at all. As far as I'm concerned your handicap is against the par, and thus so are your scores. I've never paid attention to CSS or SSS. Don't even know what they are at my place, they might just be the same as the par hence why I'd never noticed.
Edit: Just checked Howdidido and every recent comp just says "Par 68, CSS 68" at the top.
Edit: Just checked Howdidido and every recent comp just says "Par 68, CSS 68" at the top.
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