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Surely this only reinforces the shorter formats (which at school level I get) but kids will start being coached white ball techniques so once they progress they won't have the tehnique to stay in and build an innings
Kids have always been taught in the shorter format at school or club cricket. When they are identified as talented and go to a county, that's where what they're being coached needs to be looked at.
 
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The ECB do this through the club network. They offer week long summer courses at primary aged level, all fun style of the game, not left elbow up, forward defensive of the past. They also employ full time county co-ordinators to push these, organise, promote etc. Clubs are keen as it brings in potential new members. Lots of money is thrown at this.

Unless things have dropped off a cliff in the last 3-4 years, the time I have been out of junior cricket, then the ECB already do a pretty decent job on this front, certainly in Northumberland.
I've been out of coaching for a few years now so good to know it's going on. Engagement in most non football sports is an issue and it would be interesting to know why the talent pool seems to be reducing. I know at my county Yorkshire we used to have a conveyor belt of exciting young talent and that seems to have dried up in recent years.
 

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Surely this only reinforces the shorter formats (which at school level I get) but kids will start being coached white ball techniques so once they progress they won't have the tehnique to stay in and build an innings
In the first instance, it’s about getting them excited enough to want to come back for more. I’m not sure what age you have in mind for more formal (defensive) coaching but I wouldn’t start it too early either.
 

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In the first instance, it’s about getting them excited enough to want to come back for more. I’m not sure what age you have in mind for more formal (defensive) coaching but I wouldn’t start it too early either.
They take the same approach that golf does now. Get them hitting big and hard, get them engaged. They will resolve the technical details later but for now let them whack it.
 

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I just watched some of the 4th day. I'm afraid we are papering over the cracks. Bairstowe, Stokes and Wood got a few which is great but they play with such hard hands. Stokes appears to want to get from 25 to a 100 in 20 balls. I'm sure the "that's the way he plays" brigade will shoot me down but imagine if he was coached to play it late, hit it when it's under your eyes type of style. He could be a Jaque Kallis with all his natural ability. He just needs to be selfish and not appear to want to tee off all the time thus giving his wicket away.

Buttler, Crawley are the same. Hard hands going at the ball. I think Graham Thorpe needs to take a look at his coaching for test team. Whatever he's doing, it isn't working.

With regards to junior cricket. I can only speak from personal experience but I've never seen it as vibrant and engaging as it has been these past 2 years. The "All Stars" program gets kids involved at a very early age and the 3 clubs closest to me, (2 what I would say are village and one a local Prem team) are all over subscribed. I've never seen so many young girls playing the game. You then get some fall out through the age groups but clubs now have so may age group teams (from u10s to u18s) and this can only be a good thing but we won't see the rewards for quite some time yet.
 

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I've been out of coaching for a few years now so good to know it's going on. Engagement in most non football sports is an issue and it would be interesting to know why the talent pool seems to be reducing. I know at my county Yorkshire we used to have a conveyor belt of exciting young talent and that seems to have dried up in recent years.
I played for Cheshire for a number of years at schools county level. The trip to Yorkshire to get our annual anihilation was always a pleasure o_O. Any other county we might have a chance against, including Lancashire, but Yorkshire was always one way. Their talent pool was immense and if it has dried up then they need to have a long hard look at themselves, looks like it is happening of course.

The club my son was at up here, Blagdon Park, was a brilliant place that fully bought into the junior side of the game. They were not big and so had to earn each member. It was through being on the junior committee that I saw what was happening. There were / are bigger and sexier clubs that could sit back and didn't have to worry but his club really worked hard with the ECB, local schools, head teachers etc. The help is there, the money is there, it's all about having someone, or multiple people, prepared to put the time in. I appreciate different counties may have less enthusiastic regional development officers but we were well served here.
 
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I just watched some of the 4th day. I'm afraid we are papering over the cracks. Bairstowe, Stokes and Wood got a few which is great but they play with such hard hands. Stokes appears to want to get from 25 to a 100 in 20 balls. I'm sure the "that's the way he plays" brigade will shoot me down but imagine if he was coached to play it late, hit it when it's under your eyes type of style. He could be a Jaque Kallis with all his natural ability. He just needs to be selfish and not appear to want to tee off all the time thus giving his wicket away.

Buttler, Crawley are the same. Hard hands going at the ball. I think Graham Thorpe needs to take a look at his coaching for test team. Whatever he's doing, it isn't working.

With regards to junior cricket. I can only speak from personal experience but I've never seen it as vibrant and engaging as it has been these past 2 years. The "All Stars" program gets kids involved at a very early age and the 3 clubs closest to me, (2 what I would say are village and one a local Prem team) are all over subscribed. I've never seen so many young girls playing the game. You then get some fall out through the age groups but clubs now have so may age group teams (from u10s to u18s) and this can only be a good thing but we won't see the rewards for quite some time yet.
That last paragraph is great to hear and gives hope for the future. If there's plenty of engagement then the talent will be there and it's just the higher level coaching and fixture structure that needs sorting.
 

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I just watched some of the 4th day. I'm afraid we are papering over the cracks. Bairstowe, Stokes and Wood got a few which is great but they play with such hard hands. Stokes appears to want to get from 25 to a 100 in 20 balls. I'm sure the "that's the way he plays" brigade will shoot me down but imagine if he was coached to play it late, hit it when it's under your eyes type of style. He could be a Jaque Kallis with all his natural ability. He just needs to be selfish and not appear to want to tee off all the time thus giving his wicket away.

Buttler, Crawley are the same. Hard hands going at the ball. I think Graham Thorpe needs to take a look at his coaching for test team. Whatever he's doing, it isn't working.

With regards to junior cricket. I can only speak from personal experience but I've never seen it as vibrant and engaging as it has been these past 2 years. The "All Stars" program gets kids involved at a very early age and the 3 clubs closest to me, (2 what I would say are village and one a local Prem team) are all over subscribed. I've never seen so many young girls playing the game. You then get some fall out through the age groups but clubs now have so may age group teams (from u10s to u18s) and this can only be a good thing but we won't see the rewards for quite some time yet.
The irony of this of course is that Thorpe himself is exactly the type of player you quote we need, I agree incidentally. He played with soft hands, ball under his nose. We may be getting nostalgic at this point :LOL:
 
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I'm okay with Wood having the licence to do that. Broad has had the same for a while as well. If he comes off then he scores quickly and swings momentum. If he doesn't, he is a tailender and we shouldn't be relying on him. He can smash it, his boycott defence is not quite up there 😄. You can't have the last 4 doing that but 1 at least should have free reign.
Perhaps you're right. But given the dire position we're in, I thought he was just slashing away unnecessarily. And even a slogger shouldn't have had his bat anywhere near where it was to the ball that got him.
 

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Perhaps you're right. But given the dire position we're in, I thought he was just slashing away unnecessarily. And even a slogger shouldn't have had his bat anywhere near where it was to the ball that got him.
He is local to me, Ashington lad, so I may be more forgiving than I should be :D. Still lives there, plays golf locally, comes into the town where I live to shop. When that style comes off everyone claps, when it doesn't they are a muppet. I get your point though and wouldn't put up much of an argument against it.
 

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Just seen Sam Billings has been added to Ashes squad as cover for the keepers. He might be close as playing in Big Bash but, as usual, little or no red ball cricket in last few months. What is the point of having Lions squad playing red ball cricket in Australia but picking other players?
 

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The issue is that even at under 15 level the County squads only play 50 over cricket as thier longest format. So in order to get noticed, you need to score your runs at a clip. A 70 not out at the top of the order is not really encouraged as it wastes balls.

It takes real effort to bat for a long period of time and the better prospects don't get that opportunity for time in the middle.
 
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He is local to me, Ashington lad, so I may be more forgiving than I should be :D. Still lives there, plays golf locally, comes into the town where I live to shop. When that style comes off everyone claps, when it doesn't they are a muppet. I get your point though and wouldn't put up much of an argument against it.
To give him credit though, he's now likely to be near the top of the tour's run scoring list :)
 
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Just seen Sam Billings has been added to Ashes squad as cover for the keepers. He might be close as playing in Big Bash but, as usual, little or no red ball cricket in last few months. What is the point of having Lions squad playing red ball cricket in Australia but picking other players?

Lions squad went home weeks ago
 

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I hope Buttler enjoys his last 3 innings as a Test player, I'm gutted for him as I really wanted him in the side for his batting, but he looks like he's so confused about how to play this format, so Foakes needs to come in after this series.
Agreed. Buttler would be awesome coming in once the top order have built a platform. But that doesn't ever happen.

I'd like to see Buttler open in the next test. He has a pretty good record as an opener in T20... he can't do any worse than the current openers.
 

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Mmm, 358 to win with all 2nd innings wickets remaining. On a wicket that was spitting I’d be surprised if they make 250.

On another note, just saying, I might have a radical idea for the final Test in terms of who opens. Why not Anderson? Once again he finishes ‘not out.’;);):ROFLMAO:
 
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