Bandits/Cheats/Good Days and Bad

[ScienceBoy]

I second the practice chipping putting over playing on the course.

In my experience spending my evenings on the short game area instead of the range and the course played a huge factor in improving my golf.

I can barely hit a club over a 6 iron yet even I managed to shoot in the 70s.

 

[clubchamp98]

Most posts here are just golfers ,that’s just how the game is.
Struggle for a game then just clicks.

Bandits can turn it on to win things ,that’s the difference imo.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Going on what happened in the roll up, several things don't sit right. Why let him play each week if he's one the money for 7 weeks. He is out of order not staying around to buy drinks. However by far and away the worse issue is not disclosing the previous history and it'll be interesting to see if the club were aware, whether they've made enquiries to the other club and what they plan to do

 

[matt71]

Been playing for about 7 years started at 22 then went up to 28!

Realised needed to get some help so had some lessons and made friends with some mid - low handicappers and played with them.

All aspects of this helped improve my game, not just how I hit the ball bit also my decision making when I was in trouble .

Anyhow got my handicap down to 17 at start of this year and now after a bit of purple patch I am
Now on 13.3 ( combination of sup’ cards,comps and exceptional scoring cut)

There is no way I am a 13 handicapper but recent form shows different and it will only be a matter of time before I go up. I preferred the luxury of knowning I had plenty of shots in hand and I lack confidence playing as low as I am now

Not sure what I am trying to say as I forgot mid sentence ( sorry) and I am tired

 

[badgb21]

Oh yes, I have pondered on that 'walk of shame' too many times this year, but yet to succumb. I find the 2 or 4 shots just to get out as character building!
My focus now is not getting in there to begin with.

Under the new rule 19.3 you can drop back out from the bunker, adding a 2 stroke penalty.

 

[Wolf]

So a wee update on what occurred and has clearly set a debate going.

Club weren't made aware he was a member elsewhere previously, question was asked when he joined the answer given was only ever played with mates on a fortnightly basis, so had no record of handicap but supposedly he said that he reckoned he was a mid teens handicap (whilst that maybe true it to an extent he didn't divulge his playing with mates was as a member elsewhere) read in to that what you will, perhaps more digging could have been done by club. It was therefore assumed based on his vague answers that he didn't have a handicap or CDH as never mentioned he was a member before at other clubs, that he would need do the obligatory 3 cards. Not sure who he did his cards with as wasn't privy to that info, but cards were done nonetheless and initial handicap allocated at 15 back in February. Since then had regularly played midweek and on weekends but never in a competition instead always choosing to play just after last groups gone out, hence never had a cut, also never been in clubhouse longer than to use the oblutions and collect his swindled winnings... Has played the Wednesday 9 hole spin up but again its not a comp just a swindle as it's not always same people playing no cuts on a gentleman's agreement.

The true outcome from what I know at moment is, club have been in contact with the old club he mentioned to our female playing partner, has been found he was a full member in 2017, but lapsed off at start of 2018, his actual playing handicap at time of leaving was actually 7 (6.6 to be exact). His CDH is now recognised at our place but obviously a club matter that is being dealt with further so not been made privvy what sanctions will be made, but from what little I do know is action is to be taken in its entirety after a committee meeting this coming week.

There is no midweek roll up next week due to a society day, and as far as I can tell he is to be invited to said committee meeting to speak about his directly..

I guess we watch this space with intrigue seems he club have potentially been a little naive in the initial sign up in haste to get people in on the deal they had but perhaps lessons will now be learnt

 

[patricks148]

So a wee update on what occurred and has clearly set a debate going.

Club weren't made aware he was a member elsewhere previously, question was asked when he joined the answer given was only ever played with mates on a fortnightly basis, so had no record of handicap but supposedly he said that he reckoned he was a mid teens handicap (whilst that maybe true it to an extent he didn't divulge his playing with mates was as a member elsewhere) read in to that what you will, perhaps more digging could have been done by club. It was therefore assumed based on his vague answers that he didn't have a handicap or CDH as never mentioned he was a member before at other clubs, that he would need do the obligatory 3 cards. Not sure who he did his cards with as wasn't privy to that info, but cards were done nonetheless and initial handicap allocated at 15 back in February. Since then had regularly played midweek and on weekends but never in a competition instead always choosing to play just after last groups gone out, hence never had a cut, also never been in clubhouse longer than to use the oblutions and collect his swindled winnings... Has played the Wednesday 9 hole spin up but again its not a comp just a swindle as it's not always same people playing no cuts on a gentleman's agreement.

The true outcome from what I know at moment is, club have been in contact with the old club he mentioned to our female playing partner, has been found he was a full member in 2017, but lapsed off at start of 2018, his actual playing handicap at time of leaving was actually 7 (6.6 to be exact). His CDH is now recognised at our place but obviously a club matter that is being dealt with further so not been made privvy what sanctions will be made, but from what little I do know is action is to be taken in its entirety after a committee meeting this coming week.

There is no midweek roll up next week due to a society day, and as far as I can tell he is to be invited to said committee meeting to speak about his directly..

I guess we watch this space with intrigue seems he club have potentially been a little naive in the initial sign up in haste to get people in on the deal they had but perhaps lessons will now be learnt

lets hope all the swindle (irony there for sure) get together and ask for their money back from him, pretty despicable TBH

 

[Orikoru]

He's quite literally a conman by the sounds of it. He keeps his previous membership a secret, gets a high handicap, only enters rounds where he can take people's money but handicap isn't affected. That is borderline criminal, never mind being a 'bandit'.

 

[Wolf]

lets hope all the swindle (irony there for sure) get together and ask for their money back from him, pretty despicable TBH

Swindle is very apt indeed..
I'm off back down club tonight for a social quiz night they hist once a month and a lot of the guys that played on Wednesday will be there so it's likely to be a hot topic of conversation and not something that can be kept and nor should it be kept quiet.

I'll be very surprised of after tonight and the meeting due to happen that he finds anyone to play with. Dishonesty is not something as well we all know that is taken lightly in this game, and I don't think those in office are going to be happy to let it slide.

 

[clubchamp98]

Swindle is very apt indeed..
I'm off back down club tonight for a social quiz night they hist once a month and a lot of the guys that played on Wednesday will be there so it's likely to be a hot topic of conversation and not something that can be kept and nor should it be kept quiet.

I'll be very surprised of after tonight and the meeting due to happen that he finds anyone to play with. Dishonesty is not something as well we all know that is taken lightly in this game, and I don't think those in office are going to es a happy to let it slide.

As I said earlier he’s a cheat.
He was asked the question and he never gave the whole truth.
I am sure at my club he would be out the door.
Those lads / girls in the swindle will not be happy.

 

[patricks148]

Swindle is very apt indeed..
I'm off back down club tonight for a social quiz night they hist once a month and a lot of the guys that played on Wednesday will be there so it's likely to be a hot topic of conversation and not something that can be kept and nor should it be kept quiet.

I'll be very surprised of after tonight and the meeting due to happen that he finds anyone to play with. Dishonesty is not something as well we all know that is taken lightly in this game, and I don't think those in office are going to be happy to let it slide.

nor should they he has cheated all those guys out of the swindle money, it might only be a few quid but its cheating pure and simple.

keep us informed, or should we look out on the local BBC regional pages for any lynchings in Lincolnshire

 

[Wolf]

As I said earlier he’s a cheat.
He was asked the question and he never gave the whole truth.
I am sure at my club he would be out the door.
Those lads / girls in the swindle will not be happy.

Agree totally and I believe personally that should be the action taken, will know by early next week

nor should they he has cheated all those guys out of the swindle money, it might only be a few quid but its cheating pure and simple.

keep us informed, or should we look out on the local BBC regional pages for any lynchings in Lincolnshire

Put him edge of the first tee, all armed with drivers and used as a firing squad, can see that in news now as every shot misses him and he walks away unscathed until old Bert mows him down in his buggy 😂

 

[clubchamp98]

Agree totally and I believe personally that should be the action taken, will know by early next week

Put him edge of the first tee, all armed with drivers and used as a firing squad, can see that in news now as every shot misses him and he walks away unscathed until old Bert mows him down in his buggy 😂

Do new members have a probationary period.?
If so he’s out .
The problem is who’s going to play with him.
Once you have a reputation it’s never forgotten.
I just don’t understand why people do this for a few quid.

 

[Wolf]

Do new members have a probationary period.?
If so he’s out .
The problem is who’s going to play with him.
Once you have a reputation it’s never forgotten.
I just don’t understand why people do this for a few quid.

Honest answer is don't actually know if there's a probation period...
I think that's the issue isn't it the reputation is there now and I'm assuming after tonight there will be so many knowing about it that it will lead to the inevitable shunning by all.

 

[rosecott]

Honest answer is don't actually know if there's a probation period...
I think that's the issue isn't it the reputation is there now and I'm assuming after tonight there will be so many knowing about it that it will lead to the inevitable shunning by all.

I would also expect that the full details will be passed to England Golf via the County Union.

 

[Wolf]

I would also expect that the full details will be passed to England Golf via the County Union.

If that's the process then I'd expect club to do so also. I'm not fully up to speed on all the ins and outs of club management.

I guess we will soon know early next week.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Lets hope the club deal with it in an appropriate manner and don't try and sweep it under the carpet as they were perhaps partially negligent for not checking the CDH issue more thoroughly. That said if I was the swindle group I would simply make a stand as a collective and while getting the money back may be unrealistic, make it abundantly clear he is no longer welcome to play with them. I am sure as word spreads he'll find fewer and fewer people wanting to play with him

 

[duncan mackie]

Just to pick up on a few comments -

1. I don't place any blame on the club to this point. You can only ask for the relevant info and act appropriately. Without even being told of previous club membership you will struggle to find any details - that club name is your ticket in any search.
2. With a maximum of 2 months over the year between his leaving and joining I would expect an allocation of 6.6 now, aalthough his golfing future is with the committee at this point (who should definitely get the minutes of the meeting signed off by the player as well.)

 

[Wolf]

First chance I've had to get back to the club since my last post as played away match then we had the biblical weather.

There has been a resolution to the whole situation. As mentioned previously club found there was a CDH and previous active handicap. The long and short of it is he has been asked to leave the club after a lengthy meeting with the committee. From what I know he denied the initial accusation that he had been a member elsewhere but when his previous playing record was shown to him apparently came clean he had been elsewhere and he hadn't mentioned it as he'd left there under somewhat of a cloud. I wasn't made aware of any other details in my short conversation with one of the people there.

I believe the meeting ended fairly quickly after that and he is no longer at our club. So I guess that's a satisfactory solution for all those

 

[patricks148]

First chance I've had to get back to the club since my last post as played away match then we had the biblical weather.

There has been a resolution to the whole situation. As mentioned previously club found there was a CDH and previous active handicap. The long and short of it is he has been asked to leave the club after a lengthy meeting with the committee. From what I know he denied the initial accusation that he had been a member elsewhere but when his previous playing record was shown to him apparently came clean he had been elsewhere and he hadn't mentioned it as he'd left there under somewhat of a cloud. I wasn't made aware of any other details in my short conversation with one of the people there.

I believe the meeting ended fairly quickly after that and he is no longer at our club. So I guess that's a satisfactory solution for all those

Gad they took some decisive action, but They should have made him repay the sweep money he stole