Away card registration

[DeanoMK]

Hello. I played 3 rounds in Portugal and brought the cards back as I wanted to enter them on my WHS record. I gave them to my club but the handicap guy has come back and said I didn't declare to him in advance that I would be submitting GP cards.

As I understood it, I didn't need to inform the club beforehand and that by announcing to my playing partners I wanted to enter the round, that was my 'pre-registration'.

Have I got this wrong?

Thanks

 

[nickjdavis]

Unfortunately, in the absence of any electronic method of pre-registering, the process for pre-registering a round is determined by your club.

Whilst announcing to your playing partners on the first tee that your intention was to submit the cards for handicap might seem a reasonable way to proceed, if they are not part of the vetting/validation/registration/returning process, then it is difficult to really argue with your handicap sec in my opinion. He has no way to determine if your desire to return the cards was pre-meditated or not....I'm sure he doesn't mean to doubt your integrity (and neither do I) but he's in a bit of a difficult situation.

 

[DeanoMK]

Unfortunately, in the absence of any electronic method of pre-registering, the process for pre-registering a round is determined by your club.

Whilst announcing to your playing partners on the first tee that your intention was to submit the cards for handicap might seem a reasonable way to proceed, if they are not part of the vetting/validation/registration/returning process, then it is difficult to really argue with your handicap sec in my opinion. He has no way to determine if your desire to return the cards was pre-meditated or not....I'm sure he doesn't mean to doubt your integrity (and neither do I) but he's in a bit of a difficult situation.

Totally understandable, I do wish the WHS was truly global, it does seem like a glaringly obvious flaw.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[rulie]

Totally understandable, I do wish the WHS was truly global, it does seem like a glaringly obvious flaw.

Thanks for your reply.

Are you sure it's a WHS flaw, or is it just a national authority requirement?

 

[IanM]

Are you sure it's a WHS flaw, or is it just a national authority requirement?

Good question. Have "they" not been able to make access available in more locations, or don't want to for whatever reason?

"Flaw" can mean shortcoming of I.T build, as well as intent.

I was overseas earlier this month, the option to key a card would have been nice. It's good to have a record of your travels.

 

[rulie]

I am able to post scores from any course around the world that has a course rating and slope rating, and no "preregistration" is required.

 

[Swango1980]

When I went to France a couple of years ago, I informed my handicap sec before I left I'd submit all 6 rounds. Job done.

Worked very well for me, because I emailed a photo of card after every round, and he submitted score and my handicap was updated for next round. I was lucky as he was able to do that

 

[DeanoMK]

When I went to France a couple of years ago, I informed my handicap sec before I left I'd submit all 6 rounds. Job done.

Worked very well for me, because I emailed a photo of card after every round, and he submitted score and my handicap was updated for next round. I was lucky as he was able to do that

Yeah, definitely a lesson learnt for me, they were all decent scores as well, which is frustrating.

 

[IanM]

I am able to post scores from any course around the world that has a course rating and slope rating, and no "preregistration" is required.

So why would the Canadian version allow this, and no others (that I'm aware of) do likewise?

Hence your comment about requirement...

 

[D-S]

So why would the Canadian version allow this, and no others (that I'm aware of) do likewise?

Hence your comment about requirement...

As said many times WHS is a global framework but there are local idiosyncrasies. For example some countries have matchplay and team comps as acceptable scores. Some have limits on GP card submission. Some insist on pre registration by a method agreed at a club level, some don’t.
The bones however are the same everywhere, 8 out of 20, calculation of differential, course rating protocols etc.

EG have been promising us wider spread usage of the app to places such as Spain and Portugal for the past 3 years, but no sign of it as well as other improvements like geofencing attesters.

 

[Voyager EMH]

As said many times WHS is a global framework but there are local idiosyncrasies. For example some countries have matchplay and team comps as acceptable scores. Some have limits on GP card submission. Some insist on pre registration by a method agreed at a club level, some don’t.
The bones however are the same everywhere, 8 out of 20, calculation of differential, course rating protocols etc.

EG have been promising us wider spread usage of the app to places such as Spain and Portugal for the past 3 years, but no sign of it as well as other improvements like geofencing attesters.

Calculation of Score Differential in Australia is a different method than GB



In Oz they have no such thing as Course Handicap.
So they can't have an Adjusted Gross Score with Net Double Bogey Limit according to Course Handicap.
They use Stableford points according to Playing Handicap for Individual Strokeplay, which they call Daily Handicap. ("Scratch Rating" is the same as Course Rating)

 

[IanM]

I guess my point was that it's puzzling that the facility to key cards in other countries exists, but hasnt been enabled. (Or those in power, wouldn't pay for the additional functionality.)

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You can put in a card when playing in Fiji

 

[Neilds]

You can put in a card when playing in Fiji

But do you have to tell your club before you do it?

 

[wjemather]

Clubs in GB&I should have a process in place for pre-registration and submission of scores, including from outside GB&I where the functionality of MyEG (and other national apps) is not currently available, which should be communicated to their membership.

 

[IanM]

Interesting. As you can tell from my lack of knowledge, "should" and "have" are not closely aligned in respect of my club.

 

[Imurg]

They may have a method but it is communicated or readily available..?

 

[DeanoMK]

They may have a method but it is communicated or readily available..?

This is key. It felt like I received quite a sarcastic reply from the handicap sec at my club, hard to say exactly if it was that because it was email, but how am I to know the process if it's never been communicated.

 

[rulie]

This is key. It felt like I received quite a sarcastic reply from the handicap sec at my club, hard to say exactly if it was that because it was email, but how am I to know the process if it's never been communicated.

Have you, or are you about to, ask about such process?

 

[D-S]

With the best will in the world if a Handicap Chair has informed all the members in an email a year ago about the club’s pre registration process for foreign scores, how many members will remember what was written and the protocol is.
Isn’t it slightly incumbent on the member who is going away on a trip ( hardly a last minute decision) to check with the Handicap Committee as to how to put their scores in?
How often do you need to bore all the members, the vast majority of whom are never going to submit an overseas scores, with this information.