Arsene Wenger

[Pin-seeker]

Surely a club that spends £100m on players to add to a decent squad already should challenge size of the club is doesn't really come into it. If Norwich got took over and spent £200m would you not expect them to challenge??

Carried away because Maureen's tea boy as finally got Liverpool back into a respectable league position :thup:

 

[sawtooth]

Go back to the FA cup final 2005 and imagine you were told that's the last trophy Arsenal would win for 9 or more (I'll say it before someone else does) years but it's ok they'll qualify for the Champions League every year, sometimes without threatening the top spot would you have been happy with that news?

Quite possibly not, but if you went back to 1996 and asked me if I would be happy with this return after the next 18 years I would be extremely happy (I still am).

FA Premier League: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
FA Community Shield: 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

And qualification for the CL every year.

New stadium

Increased revenues

Invincibles

Treated to attractive football

Seen some of the best footballers ever to grace the premiership playing for us (thank you for Viera, Henry, Bergkamp, Ljunberg, Pires, etc, etc, etc)

Finishing above Spurs

Not too mention the memories that will be with us long after Wenger has left.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Quite possibly not, but if you went back to 1996 and asked me if I would be happy with this return after the next 18 years I would be extremely happy (I still am).

FA Premier League: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
FA Community Shield: 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

And qualification for the CL every year.

New stadium

Increased revenues

Invincibles

Treated to attractive football

Seen some of the best footballers ever to grace the premiership playing for us

Finishing above Spurs

Not too mention the memories that will be with us long after Wenger has left.

Not too bad when you put it like that. Let's be honest winning the PL is much harder now. Obviously UTD have dominated & now you've got Chelsea & City. Is finishing behind Chelsea & City that much of a failure?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Quite possibly not, but if you went back to 1996 and asked me if I would be happy with this return after the next 18 years I would be extremely happy (I still am).

FA Premier League: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
FA Community Shield: 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

And qualification for the CL every year.

New stadium

Increased revenues

Invincibles

Treated to attractive football

Seen some of the best footballers ever to grace the premiership playing for us (thank you for Viera, Henry, Bergkamp, Ljunberg, Pires, etc, etc, etc)

Finishing above Spurs

Not too mention the memories that will be with us long after Wenger has left.

But nothing for 9 seasons - no trophies

Yes Wenger did well in his first 9 years or so

Think he has the same amount of trophies as Graham got.

P.S - Community Shield is never really an "honour" - it's a pre season friendly

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely a club that spends £100m on players to add to a decent squad already should challenge size of the club is doesn't really come into it. If Norwich got took over and spent £200m would you not expect them to challenge??

Carried away because Maureen's tea boy as finally got Liverpool back into a respectable league position :thup:

Spending money guarantees nothing - especially when it's on the back of losing the player that carried them for two seasons.

And no I wouldn't expect Norwich to challenge of they spent £200 mil in one season.

And nobody is getting carried away with anything :thup:

 

[Pin-seeker]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLGUrLXAjA0
Paul Scholes doesn't look as comfortable in front of the camera as Neville,but he does make some good points regarding Arsenal IMO.

 

[freddielong]

The most interesting thing about this is that its the Liverpool fans that are pushing most for the removal of Wenger surely they are one of the few teams that will recoup the most from Arsenals downfall due to an inept manager.

IMHO and the opinion of the majority of Arsenal fans as well as the Arsenal board Arsene is the right man for the job surely if we are all wrong then this will make you happy

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The most interesting thing about this is that its the Liverpool fans that are pushing most for the removal of Wenger surely they are one of the few teams that will recoup the most from Arsenals downfall due to an inept manager.

IMHO and the opinion of the majority of Arsenal fans as well as the Arsenal board Arsene is the right man for the job surely if we are all wrong then this will make you happy

As I said in another post - I'm happy that he continues the job of falling short

Not sure it's a very big majority that are happy with him - could be a different story on May

 

[freddielong]

Well accept that move on and worry about Liverpool Arsenal fans are happy get over it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well accept that move on and worry about Liverpool Arsenal fans are happy get over it

Move on from where ?

Get over what exactly ?

I'm pretty sure this is just football debate between adults - if you don't like what is being sad then ignore the thread.

 

[freddielong]

Its not though its you going on and on we give you our reasons you say were wrong but they are our reasons, we are not ever going to turn around and say you know what that Phil guy was right Arsene should go.

I think it has been made clear that we want him to stay, I remember who Arsenal were prior to Arsene Wenger prior to Bruce Rioch George Graham and Terry Neil and I can see what he has done and is still doing for the club and I will not change my opinion any time soon.

Arsene Wenger IMHO is the man to lead Arsenal forward, the only way that will change is if Arsene chooses to leave as he is fully backed by the board.

I am sure any questions that you have, have been Asked and answered more than once.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its not though its you going on and on we give you our reasons you say were wrong but they are our reasons, we are not ever going to turn around and say you know what that Phil guy was right Arsene should go.

I think it has been made clear that we want him to stay, I remember who Arsenal were prior to Arsene Wenger prior to Bruce Rioch George Graham and Terry Neil and I can see what he has done and is still doing for the club and I will not change my opinion any time soon.

Arsene Wenger IMHO is the man to lead Arsenal forward, the only way that will change is if Arsene chooses to leave as he is fully backed by the board.

I am sure any questions that you have, have been Asked and answered more than once.

Excellent for informing what I can and can't do on the forum - will ensure I follow your guidelines from now one

You still haven't answered this question though

You said he has been "offered the managers role at every major team in club football"

So I'm just asking you to clarify that and maybe provide the evidence to back it up ?

Back to sawtooth who appears actually willing to discuss things with out closing the door

What is your ambition for Arsenal ? Do you see yourself as a trophy winning club or just as a club who gets into the top 4 and has a few games in the CL before being knocked out ?

Do you not want to see a club of your stature and size progress further and actually challenge for the Prem ( not be out of it by Feb/March ) or progress further in the CL ( not knocked out in the last 16 )

It's been 9 years of the same thing now - watching Chelsea/City and UTD winning titles and CL in that period - surely you want that also and Wenger isn't giving that too you ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Its not though its you going on and on we give you our reasons you say were wrong but they are our reasons, we are not ever going to turn around and say you know what that Phil guy was right Arsene should go.

I think it has been made clear that we want him to stay, I remember who Arsenal were prior to Arsene Wenger prior to Bruce Rioch George Graham and Terry Neil and I can see what he has done and is still doing for the club and I will not change my opinion any time soon.

Arsene Wenger IMHO is the man to lead Arsenal forward, the only way that will change is if Arsene chooses to leave as he is fully backed by the board.

I am sure any questions that you have, have been Asked and answered more than once.

Your onto a looser mate. The man never gets bored. Looks like yet another thread that LP as drained the life out of.

 

[freddielong]

Your onto a looser mate. The man never gets bored. Looks like yet another thread that LP as drained the life out of.

I have seen it a few times "dog with a bone" spring to mind

 

[sawtooth]

Excellent for informing what I can and can't do on the forum - will ensure I follow your guidelines from now one

You still haven't answered this question though




Back to sawtooth who appears actually willing to discuss things with out closing the door

What is your ambition for Arsenal ? Do you see yourself as a trophy winning club or just as a club who gets into the top 4 and has a few games in the CL before being knocked out ?

Do you not want to see a club of your stature and size progress further and actually challenge for the Prem ( not be out of it by Feb/March ) or progress further in the CL ( not knocked out in the last 16 )

It's been 9 years of the same thing now - watching Chelsea/City and UTD winning titles and CL in that period - surely you want that also and Wenger isn't giving that too you ?

Without trying to sound like Wenger himself I am convinced that Arsenal will start winning trophies again. Fingers crossed we have a great opportunity in the FA Cup this year but I am taking nothing for granted. Wigan can cause another upset that's for sure.

I believe Wenger will sign a new contract in the off season probably for another 3 years and he will definitely strengthen in the Summer. Contrary to what some may think I don't think we are a million miles away from winning the PL, the league table doesn't lie. Who knows what might have been if Ramsey and Walcott hadn't of been injured.

When I had a £10 bet with Fish at the start of the season about Arsenal finishing higher than Chelsea he laughed at me and so did a few others. OK it looks like I will probably lose the bet but I had a good run for my money

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Without trying to sound like Wenger himself I am convinced that Arsenal will start winning trophies again. Fingers crossed we have a great opportunity in the FA Cup this year but I am taking nothing for granted. Wigan can cause another upset that's for sure.

I believe Wenger will sign a new contract in the off season probably for another 3 years and he will definitely strengthen in the Summer. Contrary to what some may think I don't think we are a million miles away from winning the PL, the league table doesn't lie. Who knows what might have been if Ramsey and Walcott hadn't of been injured.

When I had a £10 bet with Fish at the start of the season about Arsenal finishing higher than Chelsea he laughed at me and so did a few others. OK it looks like I will probably lose the bet but I had a good run for my money

Cheers for the answers :thup:

Where do you think he needs to strengthen ? And will it be the same areas he will strengthen ?

Someone earlier posted that he has turned the team into technically gifted team but all the players he buys appears to be small in stature and lack a bit of bite - even Mertesacker isn't a defend at all costs using his physically strength type of defender ?

Do you think he will buy a Veira type as well as another striker ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Without trying to sound like Wenger himself I am convinced that Arsenal will start winning trophies again. Fingers crossed we have a great opportunity in the FA Cup this year but I am taking nothing for granted. Wigan can cause another upset that's for sure.

I believe Wenger will sign a new contract in the off season probably for another 3 years and he will definitely strengthen in the Summer. Contrary to what some may think I don't think we are a million miles away from winning the PL, the league table doesn't lie. Who knows what might have been if Ramsey and Walcott hadn't of been injured.

When I had a £10 bet with Fish at the start of the season about Arsenal finishing higher than Chelsea he laughed at me and so did a few others. OK it looks like I will probably lose the bet but I had a good run for my money

I bet a forumer(can't remember who but sure he'll remind me) that Southampton wouldn't make top 10. Looks like I'll be a dozen Z Stars out of pocket :angry:

 

[keishdy]

Life long Arsenal fan here. I'm truly of the belief that Wenger is the right man for the club. I have watched my club struggle in terms of trophies for the past 9 years but I believe this is 100% linked with the fact that the 'Mega rich' clubs have moved in just when we required to go through a period of financial weakness (albeit temporarily) for the greater good of the clubs future both on and off the field. I see him as a man who has transformed the club from the Tuesday club days too a club from here on in will be fit to compete financially with the elite in world football. I am proud to say we are able to compete with the clubs own sound financial model now heralded around the world without the fear of a Oligarch being jailed or closing his wallet. We are a club like no other in terms of tradition and history, in different ways too many clubs and it goes to show what a contribution the man has made to the club when he will IMO be viewed as the greatest manager our club has ever seen. If we manage a FA cup win and CL qualification this year i can only seeing this team kicking on and delivering more trophies over the next 5-10 years. I can only see us adding to his 11 (i think) trophy haul off the 38 we have in our history.

 

[jp5]

I believe Wenger will sign a new contract in the off season probably for another 3 years and he will definitely strengthen in the Summer. Contrary to what some may think I don't think we are a million miles away from winning the PL, the league table doesn't lie. Who knows what might have been if Ramsey and Walcott hadn't of been injured.

Hah!

Arsenal are no where near challenging from the title. How can you say that when they've lost 6-0, 6-3, 5-1 away to the genuine title contenders?! Those aren't narrow football losses, that's a three set thrashing! Being top of the league was an illusion as result of the run of fixtures. Once Arsenal had to face Spurs, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool within a month or so, it was clear that Arsenal would drop off.

I think it has been made clear that we want him to stay, I remember who Arsenal were prior to Arsene Wenger prior to Bruce Rioch George Graham and Terry Neil and I can see what he has done and is still doing for the club and I will not change my opinion any time soon.

You have your opinion but it's not one definitively shared by all Arsenal supporters. An increasing number are seeing past the Wenger facade, his tactical ineptitude, lack of man management, and truthfully the boring football that he has the team playing now. Arsenal used to be a team of power, pace and counter attack. Now, it's small technical players that may have 70% possession but all in front of the opposition.

What do all these pro-Wenger supporters have to say of his claim that this is the best squad he has ever worked with. Better than the Invincibles. Now if that statement doesn't make you think he has lost it, nothing will!

 

[Dodger]

Did anyone here Paul Scholes last night after the Manchester Derby?

100% spot on about Wenger and Arsenal.

A million miles away from ever winning a League Title and full of players that go missing and sadly lacking in 'diggers' and tactical nous.

Has the most over rated gaffer not had the bullet yet anyway?