Arsene Wenger

[Deleted member 1418]

Ozil is a £42m player in today's market. Leading assists in Europe for 2 years.

He's a luxury player and needs a solid base to work with. Arsenals midfield has no bite. It's no surprise his form tailed off once Ramses got injured and arsenal lost more midfield battles than they won.

£42 million for a midfielder is paying way over the top, irrespective of how many assists. Don't forget that those assists were primarily for Ronaldo and Benzema, who are far superior to Giroud and whoever else plays up front for Arsenal! Yes he's a luxury player, but I think he was a panic buy from Wenger and as a result Arsenal paid over the odds for him.

Going back to Wenger, I think Arsenal need a managerial change now. He has been a brilliant manager and his approach to player development, technique and preparation (both training and matches) has been exceptional, which has shown in those successful Arsenal teams he has produced. But there appears to be a lack of something now at Arsenal.

 

[MadAdey]

Things must have changed, because when he had Viera and petite he was happy to kick people of the park and play direct balls down the wings to overmars to chase onto.

I agree with points 2-4. Spot on.

Exactly! Since those players left he has won bugger all. Since that era he has decided to just buy a team full of players that can play pretty football but get pushed all over the park by other teams. I am sure in the Viera days in the games against Chelsea, Liverpool and City those results would never have happened because he would not have allowed it.

 

[MadAdey]

As a Chelsea fan I hope he stays!

And Moyes too for that matter. All I need now over the summer is for another Man City managerial implosion like last season, and Suarez leaving Liverpool for one of the top continental sides, and I will be very happy!!

As a liverpool fan I hope he stays along with Moyes. I am gutted Mourinho has returned though, I like the bloke and it pains me to say now that if Liverpool do not win I hope Chelsea do.

 

[philly169]

The problem is Arsene is too proud. He's spent so much time trying to build the great team that the years go on and players see no trophies and decided to leave, meaning he has to then replace and start again.

He picks his favorite player and builds a team around them, he did this with Henry, Fabregas, Van Persie and now Jack Wilshere and what happens? They leave.. apart from cotton wool boy (Wilshere) because hes always injured after one game.

He has done a lot of brilliant work for Arsenal and moved us forward over the years, especially with the financials and the stadium, we were never a team to spend millions on one player and would build from youth. Sadly in todays game if you want a great player you have to pay for them and thats whats happened with Ozil.

This season, he knew we needed a striker to help Giroud (not sure why he wont put podolski up there) so he signed almost retired and became a postman, Sanogo. We have a decent start and we get to January.. Giroud is tired, as is Ozil and other players.. but he hasn't signed anyone to fit the gaps, no-one of any quality. He leaves it late in Jan and signs Kallstrom.. whose injured. Now other players are injured and other fatigued.

He tries to train players into new positions because it worked with Henry. Podolski and Walcott should be strikers, Walcott has all the attributes Henry has, but no... Put him on the wing.

I'm sad to say that Arsene has given us a good 18 years, whether we've had trophies in the last 9 years or not.. But I think its time to move on. If we win the FA Cup, he can leave on a high, if we don't its time for someone else to reign.

 

[MadAdey]

Er, Ozil?!!!

I know, the first time he goes and blows a big wedge he actually does it buying the wrong player IMO

 

[sawtooth]

I know, the first time he goes and blows a big wedge he actually does it buying the wrong player IMO

Pires was poor for the first season with Arsenal and he didnt turn out too bad, it sometimes takes time to settle into unfamiliar surroundings. The game in England is different to some other countries and it can take some a while to adjust.

People were moaning about Mertesacker when he first came and Koscielney, they looked pedestrian and off the pace. Huh, German international with 70 odd caps and people were calling him a donkey. Yeah right.

You might have it right about Ozil but dont be too quick to judge him, lets see how he turns out next year.

 

[fundy]

Ozil looked fine when he had people making forward runs off him (mainly Ramsey and Walcott). Since those 2 have been injured hes basically had a static Giroud in front of him and little other options. Add in he played a handful of games when carrying a knock and needing a rest and Id happily give him more time to prove himself.

Bigger issue for me is that if you look at the original successful Wenger mould, most the players were fast or strong or both. Look at the side nowadays and take out Walcott and you have no pace, and there is little strength there full stop, especially in the middle of the park.

If allowed to ask Wenger jusy one question Id want to know why he went from strong fast players to small, slower, weaker ones as his "default" player type

 

[JCW]

He has to learn to park the bus when playing away at these big clubs , two banks of 4 keeping it tight for 30mins or so , they have been caught simple as that and its down to him as he sets the tactics , they not that far behind the other clubs , just need to defend better and in some games away from home they need players like viera , strong players who defend well , all the great sides are built from the back and needs to take a leaf out of JM book on how to spoil , not his style but sometimes you must , he needs strong players that know how to get the job done

 

[USER1999]

He has to learn to park the bus when playing away at these big clubs , two banks of 4 keeping it tight for 30mins or so , they have been caught simple as that and its down to him as he sets the tactics , they not that far behind the other clubs , just need to defend better and in some games away from home they need players like viera , strong players who defend well , all the great sides are built from the back and needs to take a leaf out of JM book on how to spoil , not his style but sometimes you must , he needs strong players that know how to get the job done

He is 64. He is not going to change now. That's why we need a new manager.

He also does not analyse the opposition, so never has a tactical plan.

 

[Fish]

Not likely to see one of these then for a while in Arsenal colours :smirk:



Its a custom painted TaylorMadeGolf r11 to commemorate Aberdeen FC winning the Scottish league cup 2014!

 

[MegaSteve]

He is 64.

Still young then ...

 

[MadAdey]

Pires was poor for the first season with Arsenal and he didnt turn out too bad, it sometimes takes time to settle into unfamiliar surroundings. The game in England is different to some other countries and it can take some a while to adjust.

People were moaning about Mertesacker when he first came and Koscielney, they looked pedestrian and off the pace. Huh, German international with 70 odd caps and people were calling him a donkey. Yeah right.

You might have it right about Ozil but dont be too quick to judge him, lets see how he turns out next year.

I am not questioning the ability of Ozil, far from it. What I meant was surely a midfield general would have been more important than other attacking option.

 

[sawtooth]

Wenger needs this, Wenger needs that. Its easy being a PL manager isn't it? We have all the answers its so simple, Wenger must be an idiot, and I'm a bigger fool for not seeing it.

The next man in is going to do soooo much better than Wenger he will probably win everything in sight right?. Whoever it is, he will also qualify Arsenal for the CL every year (that's not difficult clearly), but that wont be enough we expect to win it and the PL to boot. Liverpool , City, United , Chelsea and the other 15 clubs wont stand a chance:whoo:

Yes I see it now I'm with you Wenger out , Wenger out:rant:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well the next man might well do things differently - employ different tactics and purchase different players. Someone like Klopp would be very good - good footballing tactics with a bit of steel in the middle.

Arsenal have some glaring holes - up front they need another prolific striker and in the middle they need a ball winner , someone who will play a bit dirty.

Liverpool also have glaring holes - at the back in the middle and also a ball winner

Chelsea have glaring hole - a striker

City need a CB

The difference between the teams at the moment is Liverpool have two of best strikers in the league and prob the third best player in the world covering up those holes with a lot of goals

Chelsea have some talented wide players and strong middle

City have quality everywhere

Arsenal are struggling up front to score and at the back to stop the goals - their holes aren't being covered up by some outstanding players

If Wenger addressed those obvious holes then the difference could be quite interesting - might actually challenge all the way through to May instead of dropping off ever season around March

 

[Imurg]

Didn't I just hear on SSNews that they have to concentrate on holding on to 4th place rather than winning the league...?

Kinda defeatist when they're not that far behind...'

 

[sawtooth]

Someone like Klopp might be very good -

Hear me out for a second, what if Klopp did come to Arsenal. Is it possible that he might not bring success to Arsenal? Is it also possible that he could not even qualify Arsenal for the champions league? Forget how crazy that may sound but are these possible outcomes?

 

[Fish]

Hear me out for a second, what if Klopp did come to Arsenal. Is it possible that he might not bring success to Arsenal? Is it also possible that he could not even qualify Arsenal for the champions league? Forget how crazy that may sound but are these possible outcomes?

What I find interesting in the link below is this

The Gunners are considering implementing a director of football when the managerial change does eventually happen, signifying a massive shift in the club's ethos. Wenger currently has final say on all footballing decisions, but that could change for his successor when he leaves the managerial spot.

Is this saying Wenger will go upstairs and STILL have the final word, if so, who would want to come?

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/scott.s...ptions-if-arsene-wenger-doesn-t-sign-new-deal

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hear me out for a second, what if Klopp did come to Arsenal. Is it possible that he might not bring success to Arsenal? Is it also possible that he could not even qualify Arsenal for the champions league? Forget how crazy that may sound but are these possible outcomes?

Yes they are possibles - there is never any definites in football - no guarantees.

But his track record suggests that he has a very good chance of succeeding at clubs.

Do you continue along with Wenger and no success ( as per the last 8/9 seasons ) or do you look to change it and possibly being success.

Your fans pay more to watch football than anyone in the country - possibly anyone in Europe - yet they get no success currently. If I was paying the prices Arsenal fans pay then I would certainly demand a great deal more.

 

[sawtooth]

Yes they are possibles - there is never any definites in football - no guarantees.

But his track record suggests that he has a very good chance of succeeding at clubs.

Do you continue along with Wenger and no success ( as per the last 8/9 seasons ) or do you look to change it and possibly being success.

Your fans pay more to watch football than anyone in the country - possibly anyone in Europe - yet they get no success currently. If I was paying the prices Arsenal fans pay then I would certainly demand a great deal more.

At the start of the season the club has targets, one of them being CL qualification. Objective met = success, albeit partial success as the other targets are all missed. Not mega success but certainly some success.

So Arsenal should sack a manager that has been very successful in the first 9 years, but only moderately successful in the past 9 years?

If it were you, would you seriously sack a (somewhat) successful manager and replace him with someone else knowing full well that it could go very wrong. You agreed , Klopp could be a failure. Its bad enough having to swap a good manager when you need to (look at Man United) why would you do that by choice?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

At the start of the season the club has targets, one of them being CL qualification. Objective met = success, albeit partial success as the other targets are all missed. Not mega success but certainly some success.

So Arsenal should sack a manager that has been very successful in the first 9 years, but only moderately successful in the past 9 years?

If it were you, would you seriously sack a (somewhat) successful manager and replace him with an someone else knowing full well that it could go very wrong. You agreed , Klopp could be a failure. Its bad enough having to swap a good manager when you need to (look at Man United) why would you do that by choice?

Yes I would replace Wenger with Klopp - I do think Wengers time is up at Arsenal and things need to change

Wenger hasn't been able to move the team forward enough in the last 8/9 seasons.

Time for a change i believe

Being a Liverpool fan I'm actually happy they keep him because I believe he won't change and Arsenal will continue too fall short.

If you're happy with just top 4 every season then you're happy with Wenger - if you want more - then a change is needed.