Arsene Wenger

[jp5]

Did anyone here Paul Scholes last night after the Manchester Derby?

100% spot on about Wenger and Arsenal.

A million miles away from ever winning a League Title and full of players that go missing and sadly lacking in 'diggers' and tactical nous.

Has the most over rated gaffer not had the bullet yet anyway?

Everyone can see the flaws apart from the autocrat himself, and his flock of brainwashed supporters.

Another case in point - not buying a striker last summer or in January, when Arsenal only have one first team striker!

Wenger bemoans injuries but he has been incredibly lucky that Giroud has got this far without missing a run of games. I don't think Giroud is terrible, but he's not a top quality striker.

1998 - Wright / Bergkamp / Anelka
2002 - Henry / Bergkamp / Kanu / Wiltord
2006 - Henry / Bergkamp / Reyes / Adebayor
2010 - van Persie / Chamakh
2014 - Giroud / Sanago

So in the 8 trophyless year it's gone from 4 solid strike options to 1 sub-par option. Any Wengerites like to stand up for that?

 

[Papas1982]

Everyone can see the flaws apart from the autocrat himself, and his flock of brainwashed supporters.

Another case in point - not buying a striker last summer or in January, when Arsenal only have one first team striker!

Wenger bemoans injuries but he has been incredibly lucky that Giroud has got this far without missing a run of games. I don't think Giroud is terrible, but he's not a top quality striker.

1998 - Wright / Bergkamp / Anelka
2002 - Henry / Bergkamp / Kanu / Wiltord
2006 - Henry / Bergkamp / Reyes / Adebayor
2010 - van Persie / Chamakh
2014 - Giroud / Sanago

So in the 8 trophyless year it's gone from 4 solid strike options to 1 sub-par option. Any Wengerites like to stand up for that?

Id agree they need strikers. But I think girouds done very well. Most stikers would suffer loss of form if expected to play every minute of every game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He has done well with 13 league goals but the next best for them is Ramsey with 8

No one has stepped up

 

[Papas1982]

He has done well with 13 league goals but the next best for them is Ramsey with 8

No one has stepped up

Agreed, i Walcott is there only other goal threat but is troubled by injury too much. I also would expect as many goals from Ramsey season in.

As all have said, they defo need a new spine.

 

[JCW]

Win the FA Cup this year and finish 4th in the League and look to push on next year with the monkey off his back , better times ahead .................................EYG

 

[bluewolf]

Win the FA Cup this year and finish 4th in the League and look to push on next year with the monkey off his back , better times ahead .................................EYG

Have I missed the part where Arsenal have won the Semi and the Final? I hope not as I've just forked out nearly £300 for the wife and kids to travel down... I'll be having serious words with that ticket office if they've sold me out of date tickets.. I had the same worries about last years Final after a load of City supporters told me they'd already won it too...

 

[USER1999]

The bench against Swansea was pathetic, and the team was pretty much the same bunch of knackered players who got gubbed by Chelsea. It'll be the same team against city, and again against Everton. There are no injured players coming back any time soon, and when they do they won't be match fit.

Wigan will have a very good chance of an upset.

 

[cookelad]

Win the FA Cup this year and finish 4th in the League and look to push on next year with the monkey off his back , better times ahead .................................EYG

If what they've been telling us for the last few years is true, and Wenger can get the company chequebook out in the Summer and fill the holes in the first team (let alone the squad) and actually have a realistic chance of winning against the top 3 teams then we might just mount a title challenge and who knows give Wenger another go at finding the Holy Grail!

15 Months to define a career! After that I don't know how many more chances can be afforded to him, as I said previously if we were finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th every year but being involved in the fight till the very end you could accept those as "good defeats" but in recent times we've been scraping 4th by the odd point over 5th and this year is now looking no different!

 

[MadAdey]

I thin when you look at the league it is looking slightly dodgy at the minute. I do not see anything but a City win and Everton will beat Fulham, so that puts them 3 points behind with a game in hand. It just seems every year as has already been said Arsenal are emanaging to hold onto 4th by the skin of their teeth. After the weekend I expect the League to look like this:

---------------P------Pts
Chelsea-----32 -----72
Liverpool ---32 -----71
City----------30------69
Aresenal----32------63
Everton-----31------60

Obviously most of the Arsenal fans on here are backing their manager and too right they should. So I will put some questions to you.

1. If getting 4th place for CL qualification is the aim every year and seen to be a good season. What if they do not get it and are in the Europa league?
2. If you do not get CL qualification is that a failed season?
3. What if they just collapsed and ended up without Europe, is that a total disaster and would you then be wanting Wenger booted out?

Not trying to play the devils advocate, it is just chatting to a couple of Arsenal fans at work they are sitting either side of the fence on this. I have also read on the web about Arsenal fans getting frustrated by the lack of ambition being shown and not having won or challenged for anything for the last 8 years.

I love football like I love golf and always enjoy a good old debate on it, more so over a pint. We all have our own opinions on other clubs, but it is always nicer to see the opinions of their own fans.

 

[jp5]

I thin when you look at the league it is looking slightly dodgy at the minute. I do not see anything but a City win and Everton will beat Fulham, so that puts them 3 points behind with a game in hand. It just seems every year as has already been said Arsenal are emanaging to hold onto 4th by the skin of their teeth. After the weekend I expect the League to look like this:

---------------P------Pts
Chelsea-----32 -----72
Liverpool ---32 -----71
City----------30------69
Aresenal----32------63
Everton-----31------60

And I fully expect Everton to get something out of the game when Arsenal visit which could make things very interesting!

1. If getting 4th place for CL qualification is the aim every year and seen to be a good season. What if they do not get it and are in the Europa league?
2. If you do not get CL qualification is that a failed season?
3. What if they just collapsed and ended up without Europe, is that a total disaster and would you then be wanting Wenger booted out?

1. 4th place isn't a good season in the eyes of most fans. 4th place is a good season for the board as it guarantees another £20m revenue plus gate receipts. Getting Europa League would be no worse than finishing 4th. Might even have the chance of winning it instead of another inevitable last 16 CL exit.
2. See above - if CL qualification is the only 'success', the season is a failure anyway.
3. Again, probably no bad thing. Hopefully once the board lose their precious CL revenue it might wake them up, replace the manager and get new in to actually mount a challenge on the title without the distraction of Europe.

 

[USER1999]

Most of the arsenal blogs I read reflect my own opinion, and that is that unless there are major changes at arsenal, then we will continue to stagnate under Wenger. Every thing has a sell by date, now is wengers. Thanks for everything, but time to move on. The club is in great shape, money in the bank, a nice stadium, modern practice facilities, etc.

It just needs a new, more up to date team to lead it.

It might mean dropping back a bit, so what, if it leads to progress later. We know what Wenger brings to the game, and it's the same all the time. Would klopp be a risk? Not to me. Martinez? Maybe. What about the guy at Atletico?

 

[cookelad]

Not every team that shifts-out/loses a long term manager who the board and fans love suffers just look at Everton!

 

[MegaSteve]

Its all well and fair bandying around potential candidates for taking the Gunners forward but are they available to the market? Willing to move to London? etc etc For sure there's a good chance their salaries will be 'affordable' as Mr Wenger ain't cheap... I, personally would love to think Dennis would return and if he was half as good as managing as playing he'd do for me nicely... But, currently he has no real track record in management...

 

[USER1999]

Is it Frank de Boer at Ajax? He's doing ok.

Who would not want to manage arsenal? 7.5m a year, 150m in the bank, and all the rest previously mentioned.

 

[USER1999]

Its all well and fair bandying around potential candidates for taking the Gunners forward but are they available to the market? Willing to move to London? etc etc For sure there's a good chance their salaries will be 'affordable' as Mr Wenger ain't cheap... I, personally would love to think Dennis would return and if he was half as good as managing as playing he'd do for me nicely... But, currently he has no real track record in management...

Denis still won't fly, so will never be more than an assistant.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is it Frank de Boer at Ajax? He's doing ok.

Who would not want to manage arsenal? 7.5m a year, 150m in the bank, and all the rest previously mentioned.

Doing very well at Ajax and don't think it will be long until he is at big club

Bergkamp is his assistant

 

[MegaSteve]

Denis still won't fly, so will never be more than an assistant.

I know... Still one of the very best if not the best to pull on an Arsenal shirt in my time...

 

[MadAdey]

I know... Still one of the very best if not the best to pull on an Arsenal shirt in my time...

Without doubt, the man was a genius. I will always remember that goal when someone said that he had mis controlled it, what an insult, he meant to do that. It was at Newcastle if I remember correctly.

 

[Papas1982]

Without doubt, the man was a genius. I will always remember that goal when someone said that he had mis controlled it, what an insult, he meant to do that. It was at Newcastle if I remember correctly.

The reverse turn? Yeah that was a beauty. My favourite was his final for a hat trick against Leicester. Made even better by the fact he recreated that summer for holland.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Without doubt, the man was a genius. I will always remember that goal when someone said that he had mis controlled it, what an insult, he meant to do that. It was at Newcastle if I remember correctly.

Think the goal for Holland against Argentina in World Cup was as special if not more because it was on such a big stage and at a crucial time as well