Arsene Wenger

[MadAdey]

The impression I get is that a lot of Arsenal supporters are nearly as arrogant as their manager. Wenger insists that his way is the best and the supporters believe him. When Wenger had success he a solid backbone to his team, with Viera pulling the strings stopping other teams from dominating the midfield. He also had a solid CB in Adams, a top keeper in Seaman and probably the best CF in the world with Henry.

What does he have now? The BFG, Flamini and Giroud, not even in the same league as his title winning teams. I have nothing against Wenger or Arsenal, I am just expressing an opinion as a football fan.

 

[fundy]

why do Liverpool fans care so much about other clubs managers?

 

[MadAdey]

why do Liverpool fans care so much about other clubs managers?

It's just good old fashioned football debate.....

 

[sawtooth]

So much wrong with this post!

Not successful at all for the last 9 (unless you count the Virtual Trophy of 4th place which most fans don't - only the board do). YES IT DOES COUNT And all this nonsense of finishing 4th helps Arsenal sign top players, rubbish. Who said that? I happen to think some players use this as an excuse to manufacture a move to get more money They sell more top players than they buy. Yes, why keep a player if they're unhappy with the money that we are prepared to pay them?

I don't think it's the lack of success as much as the manner of it. Wenger is arrogant and treats the fans with disdain. Despite the fans not 'having worked half a day in football' (Wenger's words) it was clear to all that buying a striker and a big lump in midfield could put Arsenal very close to the title. Instead Wenger buys yet another small midfielder. Leaving a Ligue1 oaf up front who is not a top quality striker, is he really that bad? scored more PL goals than RVP this seasonwith the back up being a Ligue2 injury riddled kid that resembles a baby giraffe (let's not even talk about the disgrace that is Bendter).Out of contract at the end of the season...he will be leaving

I love what Wenger used to represent. Teams built on defensive solidarity, midfield powerhouses and attacking flair - every player a leader. I can only assume that Wenger doesn't like his power being challenged, hence why we no longer have a Vieira, Adams, Campbell, Lehmann, Petit, Bergkamp.... We would have but times have changed, in the past 10 years where Wenger has made sacrifices Arsenal have not been able to attract or in a lot of cases retain talent - Do you really need me to list the players? I think we all know who they are. They are the Campbell, Vieras, Petits, Bergkamp types that you are talking about. Money talks and Wenger could not compete properly with the super rich clubs. Hopefully we are entering a new period where cash will be more freely available. Starting with the big money signing of Ozil , others will follow but he still wont spend for spending sake, that has never been the Wenger way

Fortunately more and more fans are waking up and seeing that Wenger is taking the squad backwards. When Wenger does eventually leave, the team may continue to regress as that is the path it is on anyway, but I think it will be the best for the future.

I don't agree

 

[jp5]

I don't agree

I didn't expect you would ;-)

The players that left Arsenal have stated they left to win trophies. Henry, Fabregas, van Persie. And they've done exactly that.

You quoted Henry ealier saying that Arsenal fans should be careful what they wish for. Well Henry wished for a change and went and won more trophies! It seems absolutely hypocritical that he should be casting judgement, given that he had lost faith in Wenger.

Most insulting of all is the trout that comes out of Wenger's mouth. That "this is the best squad of players" he has ever worked with. How can anyone believe that?! That he missed the post-Chelsea interview as the "team bus was leaving early". It's an insult to the club that pay his £7m/year wages.

As soon as Arsenal move forward with a new man in charge, the better as far as I am concerned.

 

[Fish]

Swansea sticking it to Wenger now :rofl:

 

[freddielong]

The impression I get is that a lot of Arsenal supporters are nearly as arrogant as their manager. Wenger insists that his way is the best and the supporters believe him. When Wenger had success he a solid backbone to his team, with Viera pulling the strings stopping other teams from dominating the midfield. He also had a solid CB in Adams, a top keeper in Seaman and probably the best CF in the world with Henry.

What does he have now? The BFG, Flamini and Giroud, not even in the same league as his title winning teams. I have nothing against Wenger or Arsenal, I am just expressing an opinion as a football fan.

What a sad world we live in if having faith and believing in someone makes you arrogant especially when someone else who has no connection to the person or club can say you are wrong without any hint of arrogance.
Arsenal have been operating under massive constraints in a time when two Sugar daddy clubs have emerged and spent more than anyone thought possible. I don’t believe that during the last 8 /9 years trophies were the priority I believe that the priority was to elevate the club from a smallish club in London who don’t forget used to finish outside the top five on a regular basis and even outside the top 10, into a club that can stand chin up next to the European elite. The first stage of that is the stadium and the club is now emerging out of the financial shadow caused by the build which cost more and took longer to get under control due to the recession and the fall in the housing market.

From next season we will receive the money from Puma £150 mil the new contract with the emirates kicks in as well as hopefully the additional money from BT £50mil
I think that given that Wenger has given his career to build the platform Arsenal are now one he deserves to be the one to take the first steps forward from it.

 

[anotherdouble]

Whilst I except what Arsenal have achieved in the early years arsenal fans are now constantly relying on the same excuse now of money money money. Liverpool, Wigan, Portsmouth, millwall, Stoke, Cardiff west ham have all got to the FACup final since Arsenal were last there. Arsenal have got to 2 league cup finals Losing them both since 1994 and look at the poor clubs that have won the competition. Money does not come into it when you think of the playes that Arsenal have had in these barren years. I have never known a rebuild go on for so long. It should have appeared on Grand Designs

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Freddie - do you have that list of manager jobs that have been "offered" to Wenger yet ?

 

[freddielong]

Freddie - do you have that list of manager jobs that have been "offered" to Wenger yet ?

Do you have any mirrors in your house ?

Do you find it hard to leave the house without arguing with them ?

I know from interviews with Peter Hill Wood and other senior board members at Arsenal that Arsene has been approached by Real, Barca, PSG, the French football federation and Man City to name a few

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you have any mirrors in your house ?

Do you find it hard to leave the house without arguing with them ?

I know from interviews with Peter Hill Wood and other senior board members at Arsenal that Arsene has been approached by Real, Barca, PSG, the French football federation and Man City to name a few

Arguing ? It's just a question asking you to clarify a statement you made yesterday about Wenger.


You said he has been "offered the managers role at every major team in club football"

So I'm just asking you to clarify that and maybe provide the evidence to back it up ?

 

[anotherdouble]

And he turned them all down because his idea of success is obtaining 4th year in year out and he realised that other clubs fans would not accept that the way Arsenal fans do.

 

[jp5]

And he turned them all down because his idea of success is obtaining 4th year in year out and he realised that other clubs fans would not accept that the way Arsenal fans do.

Too right! It's laughable to think that Wenger would have lasted more than a season at Madrid. He stays at Arsenal as he knows the board and fans will put up with the virtual trophy of fourth place, collecting £7m/year for the privilege.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A draw today and it's very possible that they could be caught by Spurs or even Everton

They could easily finish with no trophies again and out of the top 4

 

[MadAdey]

A draw today and it's very possible that they could be caught by Spurs or even Everton

They could easily finish with no trophies again and out of the top 4

To be honest Phil just let the gooner fans carry on with being happy with being 4th every year with no trophy to show for it.

 

[Fish]

Money does not come into it when you think of the playes that Arsenal have had in these barren years. I have never known a rebuild go on for so long. It should have appeared on Grand Designs

And most of those players have gone on to win many trophy's and titles since leaving

 

[MegaSteve]

And most of those players have gone on to win many trophy's and titles since leaving

In the spirit of the thread... Name them ...

 

[Papas1982]

In the spirit of the thread... Name them ...

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-win-56-major-trophies-and-counting-130502/

that should save some time.......

 

[MegaSteve]

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-win-56-major-trophies-and-counting-130502/

that should save some time.......

The majority though appear to have remained potless...

 

[Fish]

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-win-56-major-trophies-and-counting-130502/

that should save some time.......

Thank you, I had that bookmarked and ready but had to go out :smirk:

So, Wenger has clearly had the "tools", so all that rubbish about "operating under massive constraints in a time when two Sugar daddy clubs have emerged and spent more than anyone thought possible" and "I don’t believe that during the last 8 /9 years trophies were the priority", I find laughable.

So for me, players have left Arsenal to win things, and in the main, have done so, so why couldn't Wenger win anything when he had them? OK, so some may have come and gone at different times, so why couldn't he hang on to them and sell them the dream?

Hmm, the common denominator of the problem I think is........Wenger :smirk: