Lewis Sparrow - Precision Golf

[Jensen]

I was browsing YouTube last night and came across Lewis Sparrow and watched a couple of his videos. To say I was impressed is an understatement. I think he’s the most impressive coach I’ve seen on YouTube.
Quick look on their website and it appears he charges £100 per hour. Might seem steep but I think personally I would learn more from him in 1 lesson compared to 3 with other Pros.
Shame he’s based in Surrey, my old neck of the woods but I’m now 325 miles away.
Anyone either used him or visited their premises. I would be very interested in feedback

 

[Springveldt]

I was browsing YouTube last night and came across Lewis Sparrow and watched a couple of his videos. To say I was impressed is an understatement. I think he’s the most impressive coach I’ve seen on YouTube.
Quick look on their website and it appears he charges £100 per hour. Might seem steep but I think personally I would learn more from him in 1 lesson compared to 3 with other Pros.
Shame he’s based in Surrey, my old neck of the woods but I’m now 325 miles away.
Anyone either used him or visited their premises. I would be very interested in feedback

My mate went down to him at the start of the year, think he paid £300 for a full bag fitting. Said it was a brilliant experience and much better than the Scott Gourley fitting he had done a few years ago.

 

[Bratty]

I've had driver, iron and wedge fittings with Precision and found them to be amazing.
They also tweaked my existing clubs' lies and ground some of the chips and dings out of my wedges for free at the iron fitting.
I can't rate them highly enough.
The upstairs is uses for lessons, and it's a big space. Good set up and that guy does come across very well. Henni also coaches there, so they do seem to have some very good people on the books.

 

[MACM85]

For those that have used Precision golf for a fitting. What was the cost like compared to standard retail?

 

[Patster1969]

I had a putter fitting there early last year (can't remember the guy's name though) and within about 15 minutes, after he had watched me putt for about 5 minutes, he pinpointed exactly what the issue was and advised me that a new putter wouldn't help. He then spent 20 minutes going through my (bad) technique using video & data to show me what I was doing wrong & how to correct it, so was very fair and didn't try & flog me an expensive new putter

 

[Bratty]

For those that have used Precision golf for a fitting. What was the cost like compared to standard retail?

You pay for the fitting and they don't discount it from the cost of the clubs if you go ahead.
But I've always felt that I'm paying for their expertise and why should that get refunded to me when these guys have spent most of their life grafting to become very, very good and qualified.
They have a huge number for shafts to select from, far more than any retailer I've found, so the options are great. Also more grips than most too.
Then, you're paying for the club(s) and for them to build them for you with the component parts, but you then get a guarantee that the swingweight, shaft weight, loft and lie are all as fitted, rather than within a sometimes large legal tolerance for variance. And in the case of driver and woods, the loft on the head is as ordered too.
You can pay extra to have the shafts pured, and when they did that with mine, they said they'd sand the label graphic off the shafts as they would have been misaligned through the set, which was good.
If you can afford it, they're brilliant, but value for money is a personal opinion.

 

[SteveW86]

My mate went down to him at the start of the year, think he paid £300 for a full bag fitting. Said it was a brilliant experience and much better than the Scott Gourley fitting he had done a few years ago.

Are you sure he had a fitting with Lewis, I thought he only did coaching there?

He has a beautiful swing!

I’ve had a few fittings and always walked away very happy with their service. It’s top pricing, but I fully believe you get what you pay for.

 

[Springveldt]

Are you sure he had a fitting with Lewis, I thought he only did coaching there?

He has a beautiful swing!

I’ve had a few fittings and always walked away very happy with their service. It’s top pricing, but I fully believe you get what you pay for.

Not sure who it was with, I just know he went down there for his fitting at the start of the year after watching them on YouTube.

 

[MACM85]

You pay for the fitting and they don't discount it from the cost of the clubs if you go ahead.
But I've always felt that I'm paying for their expertise and why should that get refunded to me when these guys have spent most of their life grafting to become very, very good and qualified.
They have a huge number for shafts to select from, far more than any retailer I've found, so the options are great. Also more grips than most too.
Then, you're paying for the club(s) and for them to build them for you with the component parts, but you then get a guarantee that the swingweight, shaft weight, loft and lie are all as fitted, rather than within a sometimes large legal tolerance for variance. And in the case of driver and woods, the loft on the head is as ordered too.
You can pay extra to have the shafts pured, and when they did that with mine, they said they'd sand the label graphic off the shafts as they would have been misaligned through the set, which was good.
If you can afford it, they're brilliant, but value for money is a personal opinion.

I appreciate that you pay for the service. I was wondering what the mark up was like. If a set of irons was £1000 in retail I was wondering what they charged to get the specs bang on.

 

[Parsaregood]

You pay for the fitting and they don't discount it from the cost of the clubs if you go ahead.
But I've always felt that I'm paying for their expertise and why should that get refunded to me when these guys have spent most of their life grafting to become very, very good and qualified.
They have a huge number for shafts to select from, far more than any retailer I've found, so the options are great. Also more grips than most too.
Then, you're paying for the club(s) and for them to build them for you with the component parts, but you then get a guarantee that the swingweight, shaft weight, loft and lie are all as fitted, rather than within a sometimes large legal tolerance for variance. And in the case of driver and woods, the loft on the head is as ordered too.
You can pay extra to have the shafts pured, and when they did that with mine, they said they'd sand the label graphic off the shafts as they would have been misaligned through the set, which was good.
If you can afford it, they're brilliant, but value for money is a personal opinion.

The precision build thing is nonsense. Anybody can order a set of shafts and build a set of irons, generally speaking the swing weight will be what it will be unless you want to either add tip weight or lead weight to the head. Down sides to this is tip weights can actually cause the club to want to rotate more and hence cause a draw or hook (may be good for some ) lead weight is better although cosmetically looks really bad. You can fool a swing weight scale by adding weight to the grip end.
Anybody that has any degree of technical ability or knowledge can make up golf clubs it’s not hard. This is not a highly skilled trade. I am a tradesman so perhaps I see it differently.
You honestly think these companies are sending heads and shafts back because the weights are off ? Fool on you, manufacturing tolerances exist and always will.
Any half decent pro can check loft and lies and adjust if necessary. I do them myself as I enjoy it. Generally if clubs are custom ordered lifts and lies are spot on, it’s the off the rack sets that have been sitting in a shop you might see a degree or so variance.
The extra money these companies are charging to make up a set from component parts is actually ridiculous like an extra £350-£400 for quite literally 2 hours work at the most. This is on top of the money you have already paid them to fit you and they basically charge rrp which as many know is usually more than what they are actually selling for

 

[Bratty]

I appreciate that you pay for the service. I was wondering what the mark up was like. If a set of irons was £1000 in retail I was wondering what they charged to get the specs bang on.

Ah, sorry.
My Mizuno Pro 243s (4 - PW) cost £1,660.

 

[Parsaregood]

I appreciate that you pay for the service. I was wondering what the mark up was like. If a set of irons was £1000 in retail I was wondering what they charged to get the specs bang on.

They charge rrp for any golf club. They will check the specs when they arrive which most pro’s will also do. If you want them to personally make the set up for you, expect to pay a few hundred extra for the pleasure

 

[MACM85]

Ah, sorry.
My Mizuno Pro 243s (4 - PW) cost £1,660.

I have watched a few of their youtube videos and it is an impressive set up. Always wondered what the mark up for their service is. Wonder how far apart the order direct from the manufacturer is compared to how they build the set.

 

[Parsaregood]

I have watched a few of their youtube videos and it is an impressive set up. Always wondered what the mark up for their service is. Wonder how far apart the order direct from the manufacturer is compared to how they build the set.

Absolutely nothing in build quality from manufacturer to any of these guys if it’s a custom order. It is a waste of money to get them to build your set in all honesty, wouldn’t actually surprise me they just ordered them in anyway and checked the specs.

If you buy a set ‘off the rack’ that has been in shop stock then that hasn’t had the same care and attention.

 

[Morfeen75]

Reading this thread sums up society. People want all the bells and whistles but dont want to pay for it.

If you want a free bog standard Custom Fit session then head to AG or Similar. If you want a personal service then it comes at a cost. I'm sure his premises arent free nor is the equipment you're using. I've used PG in the past and can highly reccommend them. There's no sales bs. I treat it like a lesson also as you get advice on changes etc.

 

[MACM85]

Reading this thread sums up society. People want all the bells and whistles but dont want to pay for it.

If you want a free bog standard Custom Fit session then head to AG or Similar. If you want a personal service then it comes at a cost. I'm sure his premises arent free nor is the equipment you're using. I've used PG in the past and can highly reccommend them. There's no sales bs. I treat it like a lesson also as you get advice on changes etc.

Think you have got the wrong impression on my questions on the matter. I see the fitting as worth the money. I was wondering if the extra cost for them to build the clubs are much more precise than getting it from the manufacturer as a custom fit. I am not talking about buying off the shelf and going home with them.

 

[Parsaregood]

Reading this thread sums up society. People want all the bells and whistles but dont want to pay for it.

If you want a free bog standard Custom Fit session then head to AG or Similar. If you want a personal service then it comes at a cost. I'm sure his premises arent free nor is the equipment you're using. I've used PG in the past and can highly reccommend them. There's no sales bs. I treat it like a lesson also as you get advice on changes etc.

Absolutely not saying his ability to fit isn’t worth what he is charging. However having experience in club building I can confirm that as a buyer you are better off having the manufacturer build them and the outlet you buy from check the specs. They do not build the clubs to a higher tolerance

 

[Bratty]

Absolutely not saying his ability to fit isn’t worth what he is charging. However having experience in club building I can confirm that as a buyer you are better off having the manufacturer build them and the outlet you buy from check the specs. They do not build the clubs to a higher tolerance.

My previous mizunos ordered by a pro from them direct arrived and then when I was at Precision Golf, the swing weights on the irons were almost nothing like advertised numbers and the 9 iron was considerably lighter than the 8 iron.
Someone I know ordered a 10.5° driver head direct from the EOM via his pro, and struggled with it. They discovered it was stamped 10.5° but was 12°. Got a replacement, and the same thing happened again. EOM's response, "we suggest you order a 9° head, as then it's likely going to be closer."...
Now these may be isolated incidents, but the EOMs, in my opinion, are just throwing sets together to get them out the door.
So, I'm happy to pay Precision for me to feel everything is as it should be.
Others may feel differently, and that's fine.

 

[Parsaregood]

My previous mizunos ordered by a pro from them direct arrived and then when I was at Precision Golf, the swing weights on the irons were almost nothing like advertised numbers and the 9 iron was considerably lighter than the 8 iron.
Someone I know ordered a 10.5° driver head direct from the EOM via his pro, and struggled with it. They discovered it was stamped 10.5° but was 12°. Got a replacement, and the same thing happened again. EOM's response, "we suggest you order a 9° head, as then it's likely going to be closer."...
Now these may be isolated incidents, but the EOMs, in my opinion, are just throwing sets together to get them out the door.
So, I'm happy to pay Precision for me to feel everything is as it should be.
Others may feel differently, and that's fine.

Unless you add tip weight or lead tape to a head you cannot adjust swing weight. Adding tip weight makes the head want to release more and lead tape doesn’t look great. Shaft has a bearing on swing weight depending on where the weight is located in the shaft.
There is no chance his swing weights would be any better unless he can buy 10 sets from a manufacturer and weight sort each head which he can’t as he couldn’t run a business this way. This is why your issue stuff is better because it is weight sorted but they can afford to do that a normal business can’t. If you need specs to decimal points of a swing weight which for any human isn’t noticeable then you should buy miles or similar

 

[WGCRider]

With someone like Precision what you are getting is true custom fit. They will match ANY head with ANY shaft to get the results you are after. What most others call custom fit isn't really that - they are helping you select an option. For example, today on the Titliest website there are 37 optional shafts. AG is helping you choose one of those 37. If you wanted (for whatever reason) the Fujikura shafts with you T100 that would not be available from AG as a custom fit.

Think of it like this. If wanted a buy a BMW 3 series you'd go to BMW and choose one of the models they offer. If you wanted a BMW 3 series with a Mercedez engine you'd have to go to a specialist to assemble that for you.

Furthermore - if you are getting a longer or short shaft or a thicker grip or more tape you are a absolutely changing the swing weight of the club and you should be getting that checked no matter who assembled that club.