clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Is it that long ?To be fair, this has only been the case for twenty years. Not everyone is up to speed. Quite literally.
how time flies.
Argument on course
- Thread starter HPIMG
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how time flies.
It changed when the Rules Of Golf were published in either 2004 or 2006 as I recall. Certainly a long time ago, although for several years after that many clubs still had the no standing garb printed on their scorecards, even after new print runs.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I remember it well as I was at my 1st club and they had a sign saying singles had no standing right by the first tee . It was still there when the course closed in 2013.......
See post #18.
Swearing at them and playing through uninvited lays you open to sanctions too. It weakens your first argument and adds credence to their lies.
Swearing at them and playing through uninvited lays you open to sanctions too. It weakens your first argument and adds credence to their lies.
Steve Wilkes
Well-known member
And some single players know this and rudely uses this as you must let me through or I'm reporting you to the committee type of attitude.
Why not on approaching the group when you catch them up saying "Good Morning Gents, How's the round going", and after niceties say "I'm own my own may I play through, no problem if not, I can just skip ahead if it's a problem".
This attitude works much better all round in my experience, than what happened here
sjw
Well-known member
I played a course back in September that has a similar sign on the noticeboard by the first tee. I was playing solo...
Luckily, it was bucketing down and I think I had the course to myself.
Red devil
Well-known member
Don't leave. They're the ones who need to address their behaviour, not you.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
What’s to stop you rolling up 10 mins before and firing away?
While their poor etiquette is inexcusable, you made the same mistake 3 weeks running. Does the BRS not tell you the name of the people booked in so you know to either wait half hour or fire off 10 mins early.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Some courses won’t let u tee off early. Green keepers working
Its a good reason not to have a booking system!
Crow
Crow Person
In the R&A's "Spirit of the game" section under Priority on the Course it says:
Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the course is determined by a group’s pace of play.
So if a club's committee decide that it's correct for singles to have no standing on the course then that's their prerogative and singles will have no standing on that course.
There's no rule saying that singles have equal standing.
Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the course is determined by a group’s pace of play.
So if a club's committee decide that it's correct for singles to have no standing on the course then that's their prerogative and singles will have no standing on that course.
There's no rule saying that singles have equal standing.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Who the heck plays on their own for fun? I get why you are so angry at the world with no mates 
But in all seriousness. Those two lads need to speed up and let you through.
And well done on your verbal restraint when “discussing” your difference of opinion. One little F bomb does not an argument make!
But in all seriousness. Those two lads need to speed up and let you through.
And well done on your verbal restraint when “discussing” your difference of opinion. One little F bomb does not an argument make!
BiMGuy
LIV Bot, (But Not As Big As Mel) ?
Even if a club did have such a rule. You’d have to be some kind of
end to not let a single player through if there is space in front.
Crow
Crow Person
Even if a club did have such a rule. You’d have to be some kind of
Completely agree, but it's not a clear cut rule as some previous posts suggest.
Swango1980
Well-known member
How many clubs make a rule to say single players have no standing on the course. Absolutely pathetic rule if any club runs with it.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
How can you say that of 40,000 clubs, there none where the 'no standing' rule wouldn't be suitable
I get that for your club it might be nuts to have it but no way you copy/paste one clubs needs onto every other club/course
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm happy to hear an argument FOR such a rule. Perhaps I'm missing something, and there is an argument that would convince me it is a good rule to have.
But, I'm yet to hear such an argument. And so my current stance is that it is pathetic to state single player groups have no standing on a golf course. Etiquette is about politeness/courtesy to others. Treating individual players like they effectively don't exist doesn't seem very courteous. If I was at such a club, and in a 4-ball, I'd not feel too great keeping a single player waiting behind me, despite having a dodgy local rule allowing it.
Maninblack4612
Tour Winner
I was thinking the same thing.
rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
Don't forget to give them a friendly wave as you pass them
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
We should probably keep etiquette and standing separate. We likely agree that the general etiquette regardless of standing would be for a single/faster group to be let through
I don't necessarily agree that some clubs still have/need standing on the course but some clearly do and as its their course they are better placed than I to know if its needed or not.
I know of one local course to me where group size determines priority, being 4-3-2 with singles having no status at all but I've never asked for an official response why so I'd just be guessing
My guess would be its to do with field pace of play, the value of each tee time, with a bit of player harmony thrown in i.e they maximum revenue from each tee time, keep pace flowing from the larger 3 & 4 person groups that make up majority of players (so they aren't slowed by the clearly faster singles coming through) plus it eliminates the potential for arguments such as the one stated in the opening post
edit to add pic:
I suppose the other way clubs deal with it is to simply ban single groups. e.g I doubt you can play as a single at The Old Course. They'll pair you up or you don't play (& that'll happen at loads of courses)
That way the course swerves the issue of standing & status for a single player altogether by simply not having any. The question then is... is not permitting singles better or worse than allowing singles but with no standing?
Probably goes without saying but your average run of the mill members club likely doesn't have any reason to ban single groups or withhold their standing/status... but many other courses will
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Crow
Crow Person
A pay-and-play course might wish to discourage single players as they don't maximise revenue from a tee slot, which they'd sooner sell to three or four balls.
Such a rule might also grate on the three and four balls at said course as it delays their round having to let singles through.
A members club might see single players as not embracing the club ethos of socialising with other members, they're still happy for them to do their own thing but, as above, they don't want to annoy the members playing as groups by again delaying their rounds.
If the rule were in place it would stil be an option for the group in front as to whether or not they were going to let the single through.
