Another slow play rant!

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There will always be people who want to play fast
There will always be people who want to play slow
and there will always be people who want to play somewhere in the middle.
The ONLY WAY to keep EVERYONE happy is to put the fast players out first and the slow players out last.

that's one of the daftest things I've heard
 
There will always be people who want to play fast
There will always be people who want to play slow
and there will always be people who want to play somewhere in the middle.
The ONLY WAY to keep EVERYONE happy is to put the fast players out first and the slow players out last.

that's one of the daftest things I've heard

What's daft about everybody playing at the pace they want to play at?

Come on guest100718 have you looked on the football thread recently.

To be honest Bob that just wouldn't work at all although in the perfect world it might do.
 
Because its impossible to let someone through?

You can't go out with the attitude that it's OK to play slow and call people through because that just causes delays on the course for others.
 
I'm not really sure that is fair.

If a group, say out in a medal, have a really bad day and individual players lose balls around the course it could be a very slow round for the group, but they may do the right thing in calling groups through on each occasion. Draconian rule making based on a stopwatch isn't the answer but an experienced course Marshall driving round sorting out gaps between groups probably is

Not all clubs can afford or have experienced marshalls and having talked to a few they are very wary about asking people to do the right thing on occasion due to their hostile reaction.

Joking apart, slow play is killing our sport. We are changing rules to help, encouraging shorter competitions, discussing options etc but as yet nothing seems to be working. In fact you could argue the opposite.

We are told by the authorities, press and uncle Tom Cobley that we need to address the issue so maybe the time has come for some draconian measures. I can see things working for members but for visitors, societies, etc I have no idea.

Maybe I do need to slow down and smell the roses but a 5 hour round of golf destroys any rhythm and enjoyment as you are waiting on every shot.

We are in a difficult position as a sport with a contracting participation and closing clubs. The number 1 issue (apparently) is slow play. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome?
 
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Not all clubs can afford or have experienced marshalls and having talked to a few they are very wary about asking people to do the right thing on occasion due to their hostile reaction.

Joking apart, slow play is killing our sport. We are changing rules to help, encouraging shorter competitions, discussing options etc but as yet nothing seems to be working. In fact you could argue the opposite.

We are told by the authorities, press and uncle Tom Cobley that we need to address the issue so maybe the time has come for some draconian measures. I can see things working for members but for visitors, societies, etc I have no idea.

Maybe I do need to slow down and smell the roses but a 5 hour round of golf destroys any rhythm and enjoyment as you are waiting on every shot.

We are in a difficult position as a sport with a contracting participation and closing clubs. The number 1 issue (apparently) is slow play. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome?

But your proposal wanted warnings and bans for slow players even if they did the right thing and let the entire field through. Yes, you'll end up with quicker play in the end given that 25% of your club members would probably be banned or left.
 
The bit that winds me up more than anything is people finish a hole then stand by the green cleaning and putting away their putter (add in dropping a few bits) then marking their scorecard.

Why can't they mark their card while their pp is teeing off and put their putter away enroute to the next tee?
 
The bit that winds me up more than anything is people finish a hole then stand by the green cleaning and putting away their putter (add in dropping a few bits) then marking their scorecard.

Why can't they mark their card while their pp is teeing off and put their putter away enroute to the next tee?

Yes fully agree. This was what the group in front of us was doing last round I played

2 clear holes in front of them and the group infront and still marking the score and cleaning club on green

Had to resist taking my shot into the green as even though they are annoying they don't deserve to be hit!
 
The bit that winds me up more than anything is people finish a hole then stand by the green cleaning and putting away their putter (add in dropping a few bits) then marking their scorecard.

Why can't they mark their card while their pp is teeing off and put their putter away enroute to the next tee?

i agree. as irresponsible as it is i just fire my ball at the green. they soon get the idea when the ball hits the green or they get a loud shout of fore as they're marking their card
 
I was in the last group of a society this week when the organiser made it into a four-ball with two 28 handicappers alongside him (18) and myself (4). It was painful trying to drag them along. They're looking for balls after their sixth shot on a par-four and they are still 200 yards out and cannot score. There were groups queued up behind and the organiser's comment was simply "we're a society, why should we have to let them through".

I've played with him at his own club and he is a signed-up member of the "everyone get out of my way on my home club" brigade.

Some golfers unfortunately are just morons. A course marshal could have dealt with this as I was getting nowhere trying to sort the three of them out.
 
i agree. as irresponsible as it is i just fire my ball at the green. they soon get the idea when the ball hits the green or they get a loud shout of fore as they're marking their card

Done this once by mistake, group in front were getting slower and slower, as they departed the 8th green I took my shot which I proceed to catch a bit thin. When I looked up one of them had decided to stop to mark their card just off the green. I shouted fore to then watch my ball skim through the gents legs around knee height.

Got a dirty look as i went over to say sorry, funny that they seemed to speed up after that.
 
The bit that winds me up more than anything is people finish a hole then stand by the green cleaning and putting away their putter (add in dropping a few bits) then marking their scorecard.

Why can't they mark their card while their pp is teeing off and put their putter away enroute to the next tee?

And they also leave their buggy/trolley/bag at the front of the green, completely opposite to where they are exiting.
 
i agree. as irresponsible as it is i just fire my ball at the green. they soon get the idea when the ball hits the green or they get a loud shout of fore as they're marking their card

You'd soon find yourself banned at my place if that was done on a regular and deliberate basis. Frustrating as slow play is, that's just plain dangerous and even more wrong than not letting players through when you lose position
 
But your proposal wanted warnings and bans for slow players even if they did the right thing and let the entire field through. Yes, you'll end up with quicker play in the end given that 25% of your club members would probably be banned or left.

It's about the gaps really. If you let someone through then you will finish behind them with no gap - no problem. The ones you are looking for are the people who are 2 or 3 holes behind the group in front. These are the people you would sanction.

We all know who the slow players are in the club - it certainly isn't 25% of the membership and some positive reinforcement about the pace of play may help fix the problem.

As far as visiting societies and open comps are concerned it has to be down to marshalls and it has to be made clear to all competitors they have to get a move on.

It would help if the professionals and the Tours took a lead but I'm not holding my breath!
 
I was in the last group of a society this week when the organiser made it into a four-ball with two 28 handicappers alongside him (18) and myself (4). It was painful trying to drag them along. They're looking for balls after their sixth shot on a par-four and they are still 200 yards out and cannot score. There were groups queued up behind and the organiser's comment was simply "we're a society, why should we have to let them through".

I've played with him at his own club and he is a signed-up member of the "everyone get out of my way on my home club" brigade.

Some golfers unfortunately are just morons. A course marshal could have dealt with this as I was getting nowhere trying to sort the three of them out.

Had similar, was playing in a society at Woodcote Park the other week with players that were genuinely quite quick apart from on the tees where they would hold a major scoring conference for no good reason so I eventually would just go up and hit mine and at times it would be a good 2 minutes before the next tee shot was in the air.
 
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