louise_a
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Davey's signature shows handicap - TBC, so I assume he is putting in cards for his first handicap If that is the case then Colin L's last post is the revelent one.
Am I missing something... HCP question?
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Colin L
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I'm a bit confused myself as to what Davey is actually asking as he speaks of a notional 18 handicap in some of his questions. Anyway, I hope that together we've clarified the difference between what happens for an initial handicap and what happens after that when you have a handicap.
BTatHome
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He says he has completed 2 cards for his Hcp, and that those would give him 18.
DCB
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But... until he has submitted the three cards and the handicap committee carry out the process as laid out by CONGU, he doesn't actually have a handicap, so any calculations have to be based on the section relating to allocation of handicap and the calculations involved at that stage. Once he gets a live handicap it's a different matter.
BTatHome
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Yes, but all he is doing is trying to understand the concept in relation to now and when he actually his handicap. Strictly speaking he shouldn't mention a handicap but its pretty natural for him to be talking about it like this.
chellie
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Hope the OP doesn't mind me joining in on this thread as hubby is getting his cards marked for his handicap as well.
Say he par'd or bettered 16 out of 18 but then had a mare on a par 4 and a par 5 the score for handicap purposes on those two bad holes would be a 6 and a 7
Say he par'd or bettered 16 out of 18 but then had a mare on a par 4 and a par 5 the score for handicap purposes on those two bad holes would be a 6 and a 7
DaveyG
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chellie
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Yep, so if he shot a 24 it really wouldn't matter in this case...
He didn't did he~?
PMSL no he didn't. His idea of a mare was a 10 on the par 5 thanks to not getting out of a bunker and his bad putting.
Perhaps I should bite the bullet and get my cards marked as well. It's confidence for me though as a beginner. Although my mares haven't been near the 20's either.
rosecott
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I've put that in so that the OP doesn't get confused again.
rosecott
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He cannot know that - that could only be a guess.
chellie
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Cheers, shall I edit my post as well.
rosecott
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No need, I think he might be getting the message.
chellie
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OK.
It is confusing for newbies trying to work out handicaps and then people going on about how many stableford points you'd have got when you're out playing with them.
Colin L
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You certainly should. The handicapping system is intended to encourage not intimidate. It allows us all to play each other on a fairly even basis whatever our standard. Get a handicap and you can get the enjoyment of playing in competitions at your club which means getting to know more people and generally getting the best pleasure out of your golf. It matters not a bit if you start on 36. I don't expect you would be alone. Besides, you might be pleasantly surprised at what your initial handicap turns out to be.
duncan mackie
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I think Davey is making the point that to get his handicap the bad holes will be adjusted lower than when playing from any handicap other than Scr - whether he was trying to make that point or not is another matter 
The simple answer is yes, that's how it works and, the higher the handicap, the greater the likely impact. It is effectively an inbuilt expectation of short term improvement for those being allocated higher handicaps and means for most that playing to buffer becomes their initial target rather than playing to handicap.
Having monitored new handicaps it seems to work well, but it has a weakness in respect of allocations to golfers who have previously played a lot to a higher handicap and are being allocated a new one for some reason (a year out for example) for whom 3 cards when previously off 24 (say) might be expected to deliver 22. Most handicap secretaries are aware of this, and are required to take into account previous handicap history anyway - and of course, the system is set up so that this doesn't really happen in practice with the 6 months cover and presumption that people's game wil deteriorate in the short term beyond that period ie it's self correcting.
The simple answer is yes, that's how it works and, the higher the handicap, the greater the likely impact. It is effectively an inbuilt expectation of short term improvement for those being allocated higher handicaps and means for most that playing to buffer becomes their initial target rather than playing to handicap.
Having monitored new handicaps it seems to work well, but it has a weakness in respect of allocations to golfers who have previously played a lot to a higher handicap and are being allocated a new one for some reason (a year out for example) for whom 3 cards when previously off 24 (say) might be expected to deliver 22. Most handicap secretaries are aware of this, and are required to take into account previous handicap history anyway - and of course, the system is set up so that this doesn't really happen in practice with the 6 months cover and presumption that people's game wil deteriorate in the short term beyond that period ie it's self correcting.
mcbroon
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I second that, you should definitely get your cards in. Whatever handicap you end up with, you won't be the first person who ever had it, so there's nothing to worry about. And as Colin says, you can then enter comps, meet people, and maximise the fun you get out of the game.
And the more you play, the more likely you'll be to experience the buzz of seeing your handicap come down
Sweep
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Quite simply, put your 3 cards in and see what you get. Many handicap secretaries use discretion for new handicaps anyway. It is sometimes not an exact science. Thinking back, I found part of the fun was anticipating the handicap I was going to get. Once you have a handicap, stableford adjustment and handicap calculation will become clear and you will pick it up very easily just by playing in comps. You shouldn't think that you are missing something obvious. Handicaps can be complicated, which is evident just by reading the posts on this thread alone!
It sounds like you played really well in the wind and that your score would have been a lot lower in better conditions. Personally I would refrain from submitting that card as there is no way the strength of the wind can be taken into account when assessing the card. I know this is frustrating as you clearly want to get your handicap ASAP, but it will serve you better in the long run. Good luck!
It sounds like you played really well in the wind and that your score would have been a lot lower in better conditions. Personally I would refrain from submitting that card as there is no way the strength of the wind can be taken into account when assessing the card. I know this is frustrating as you clearly want to get your handicap ASAP, but it will serve you better in the long run. Good luck!
cookelad
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I second that, you should definitely get your cards in. Whatever handicap you end up with, you won't be the first person who ever had it, so there's nothing to worry about. And as Colin says, you can then enter comps, meet people, and maximise the fun you get out of the game.
And the more you play, the more likely you'll be to experience the buzz of seeing your handicap come down
+1
There's no real reason not to get a handicap sorted, it's not 1 handicap for life - obviously you never have more than 1 handicap at any one time! - it will improve as you improve and it will allow you to play in club comps and opens at other courses!
Sorry for no replys I have just finished work, I currently have no HCP and the 18 I was referring to was simply just to see what my current completed cards would score off a 18 HCP. My question is when I hand in the 3 cards what will they do with the holes where I have scored a triple bogey or worse? Like I said yesterday was gale force winds in Birmingham and the 3 bad holes I had where caused mainly by the bad wind after creaming drives and seeing them get pushed OB or hitting a solid pitch and it coming back to you I feel its not fair on myself to base my HCP on golf in those conditions. Although the final score was good it should have probably have been a PB.
pbrown7582
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Basically to sort your handicap allocation any triples will be may doubles your total score minus SSS will be your handicap.
Ie. 88 with 3 triples = 85 - SSS 72. Would give a handicap of 13.
Worry about stableford nett rounding once active handicap sorted.
Get that third card in and enjoy!
Ps great shooting in the gales.
Ie. 88 with 3 triples = 85 - SSS 72. Would give a handicap of 13.
Worry about stableford nett rounding once active handicap sorted.
Get that third card in and enjoy!
Ps great shooting in the gales.
