Opens and Prizes

I am confident I would have enough qualifying cards assuming monthly stablefords off a measured yellow course (our whites close in winter) would count as they have gone into my 8/20 scores and affected my handicap. We are in comp season now and we have loads of medals and stablefords coming and I have GP cards going in every other time I play. I may be going against the grain, but I am not sure I'd enter knowing if I had a "day out" I couldn't win anything. I get we usually get to play nice courses, well presented for the event, but I would still like a chance to grab the carrot being dangled for a good round
 
Have to say I honestly couldn't give two hoots if I got a prize or not but as I don't put in GP cards it wouldn't affect me.
Only usually play RoG in competition.
 
As someone who has no real understanding of what EG actually do, what could they do in terms of sanctions, for non compliance with their "directive"?

My club has certain competition rules insisting on a minimum number of competition scores, and two of the local leagues also have rules limiting general play scores in order to be eligible. What power does EG have? If a club decides to run a competition with specific rules (as many do) why is EG trying to exercise its (perceived) power.

I have also read the thread where EG is getting fidgety that roll ups etc are using modified handicaps.......so what! Why are they even interested?
 
SteveJay said:
I have also read the thread where EG is getting fidgety that roll ups etc are using modified handicaps.......so what! Why are they even interested?
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Has caused carnage at my club for roll ups doing this. We basically got told we could no longer do it and thise that refused could expect to have conversations with the handicap secretary/GM and ultimately they would refer individuals (assuming they meant those running the roll up, although it could be those playing as well) to the local EGU for advice suspending an active handicap. Whether they can or our EGU would be bothered hasn't been tested. For a quiet life, especially as an organiser we simply reverted to full playing handicap and mandatory GP cards submitted or you can't win the money. Lots of grumbling and bitching before and the first few weeks but starting to become habitual and everyone has complied so far
 
SteveJay said:
As someone who has no real understanding of what EG actually do, what could they do in terms of sanctions, for non compliance with their "directive"?

My club has certain competition rules insisting on a minimum number of competition scores, and two of the local leagues also have rules limiting general play scores in order to be eligible. What power does EG have? If a club decides to run a competition with specific rules (as many do) why is EG trying to exercise its (perceived) power.

I have also read the thread where EG is getting fidgety that roll ups etc are using modified handicaps.......so what! Why are they even interested?
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EG has the power to suspend or remove the right of the club to administer WHS, effectively withdrawing the handicaps of all their members.

EG's interest is that competitions must be run fairly and without discrimination in all aspects: handicaps, allowances, conditions of entry, eligibility for prizes, etc.

When it comes to WHS, EG are also under the direction of the WHA (essentially The R&A and USGA).
 
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I organise a few trips each year in OZ and Thailand, always use my handicap system, where is the harm in it ?

No one complains in the group, and all know my rules.

Hope OZ do not go down this route but cannot see how they could enforce it, if no one complains.
 
IanM said:
But have they ever?
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I think this has only come to light at my club at least because of a recent workshop memebrs of the handicap committee and management attended. Seems to be a drum they are banging hard so I would suggest as a result it is a topic they might use and to follow through on, if only to set a marker. Not sure what sort of time frame would be involved though
 
wjemather said:
EG has the power to suspend or remove the right of the club to administer WHS, effectively withdrawing the handicaps of all their members.

EG's interest is that competitions must be run fairly in all aspects: handicaps, allowances, conditions of entry, eligibility for prizes, etc.

When it comes to WHS, EG are also under the direction of the WHA (essentially The R&A and USGA).
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Says it all really EG wouldd rather allow cheats to prosper than allow an iota of commonsense that contradicts their cheats charter.

But not for entries to posh competitions which they can fiddle of course.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Has caused carnage at my club for roll ups doing this. We basically got told we could no longer do it and thise that refused could expect to have conversations with the handicap secretary/GM and ultimately they would refer individuals (assuming they meant those running the roll up, although it could be those playing as well) to the local EGU for advice suspending an active handicap. Whether they can or our EGU would be bothered hasn't been tested. For a quiet life, especially as an organiser we simply reverted to full playing handicap and mandatory GP cards submitted or you can't win the money. Lots of grumbling and bitching before and the first few weeks but starting to become habitual and everyone has complied so far
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I suspect if it ever gets to England Golf level, it will initially be driven by a golfer(s) at the Club. There may well be a lot of people who don't like putting in their scores in roll ups, I certainly know a few of my group who would be in that category. But, just because there are people that feel like that, there will be other members that get really wound up when such golfers go out, shoot decent scores, and their handicap doesn't get touched. And I'm sure Handicap Committee's get wound up when members go complaining to them to give certain players a cut, and so they have to resort to a Review instead of the score going on their record in the first place, and the system being allowed to do what it does.

I'm sure different Clubs will do different things. Some will follow the advice, and direct golfers to put Roll Up Comp scores in for handicap. If some golfers don't like it, they don't have to play. Just go out with your buddies instead and play whatever format / rules you like. Other Clubs won't be doing this. Perhaps they have a less experienced Committee and don't think they need to, maybe they think it will be hassle or maybe the person in charge feels they know better than the England Golf guidelines. And, if their golfers are happy with this, then I doubt England Golf will ever find out. But, if any golfers start kicking up a fuss because they are getting annoyed that certain members seem to have a protected handicap, or they get frustrated because they think the Clubs bespoke handicap system has flaws, then it could create more problems for the Committee. As would always be the case when the official guidelines are not followed
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It's something I'm seeing in pretty much all of the opens I'm playing in this year. If it's a directive, it's being ignored.
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The opens that I'm entering, if they have a restriction at all, it says you must have x comp rounds in the past 12 months, it doesn't matter if they're in your last 20 or not.
That's workable, and is not against WHS directives.
As opens form the overwhelming bulk of my golf from Mar-Oct it means I've had to find a club that runs plenty of singles comps during the winter. That was not easy!

I played an open last weekend in the knowledge that one of my teammates did not have the required number of comp cards in the last 12 months which would make us ineligible for the prizes. We were a few points shy so it didn't matter. The results email from the organisers said that some of the teams finishing near the top had been excluded from prizes for not meeting the criteria. Fair enough.
 
@LincolnShep I suspect the wording I am seeing is the same as you are, you were more accurate or simply read it better 😄. A subtle but real difference. Pretty much all have this requirement, Durham and Northumberland area.
 
IanM said:
But have they ever?
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Clubs have been sanctioned before, so there's no reason to believe that EG wouldn't follow through with the threat if clubs refuse to adhere to the rules, guidance, directives, etc.
However, there is also no reason to believe clubs wouldn't make the necessary changes once the issue is brought to their attention, and they are aware that they are not optional - as said, there remains a lot of confusion and misunderstanding (for various reasons) so non-compliance is usually not intentional.
 
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