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[bobmac]

14% of fatal car accidents in 2013 were caused by one or both drivers being drunk.
86% of fatal car accidents in 2013 were caused by sober drivers.
Proof that drunk people are better drivers.
Don't you just love statistics

Please drink responsibly.

On a serious note, as an ex low Cat I golfer, I didn't mind losing if we both played well and I was pipped on the last.
What I did object to was playing well and getting stuffed out in the country by someone who only plays 3 medals a year.

I would like to see it go back to how it was 40 years ago when the best net score got a 'token prize' and the main prize was for the best gross. Of course it will never happen
Sadly, it's the opposite and at some clubs there isnt even a gross prize.
Golf, the only sport where 300 people enter a competition and the best score doesn't win.

 

[Ross61]

I would like to see it go back to how it was 40 years ago when the best net score got a 'token prize' and the main prize was for the best gross. Of course it will never happen
Sadly, it's the opposite and at some clubs there isnt even a gross prize.
Golf, the only sport where 300 people enter a competition and the best score doesn't win.

If a club runs a scratch comp as you are suggesting it would not get enough entrants within the club to make it viable.
The reason club comps work is because everybody starts on a level playing field. Be thankful that golf is the one sport that handicapping actually works to the greater degree.
As for golf being the only sport that the best score doesn't win. There are many levels of professional and amateur golf that does exactly that!

 

[chrisd]

14% of fatal car accidents in 2013 were caused by one or both drivers being drunk.
86% of fatal car accidents in 2013 were caused by sober drivers.
Proof that drunk people are better drivers.
Don't you just love statistics

Please drink responsibly.

On a serious note, as an ex low Cat I golfer, I didn't mind losing if we both played well and I was pipped on the last.
What I did object to was playing well and getting stuffed out in the country by someone who only plays 3 medals a year.

I would like to see it go back to how it was 40 years ago when the best net score got a 'token prize' and the main prize was for the best gross. Of course it will never happen
Sadly, it's the opposite and at some clubs there isnt even a gross prize.
Golf, the only sport where 300 people enter a competition and the best score doesn't win.

If the winner was always the best gross score, only about 10 players at my club need enter, then the prize wouldn't be worth having.

 

[bobmac]

If a club runs a scratch comp as you are suggesting it would not get enough entrants within the club to make it viable.

That's not what I said. I said the main prize was for the best gross. There would still be a net prize

The reason club comps work is because everybody starts on a level playing field. Be thankful that golf is the one sport that handicapping actually works to the greater degree.

My trophy cupboard tells a different story

As for golf being the only sport that the best score doesn't win. There are many levels of professional and amateur golf that does exactly that!

As the majority of forum members play normal club golf, that's the level I was referring to.

 

[bobmac]

If the winner was always the best gross score, only about 10 players at my club need enter, then the prize wouldn't be worth having.

That's not what I said. I said the main prize was for the best gross. There would still be a net prize.

But those 10 players you mention have virtually no chance of winning the net. And they are good players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Shouldn't the main prize be aimed at the majority of the players ?

Making the main prize to the best gross then it would be one by the same person about 8 times this year and people would just stop playing in the comps

Medals etc are Handicap competitions as is most club comps.

Everyone who starts has the same chance of winning the main prize which is the net prize.

 

[Ross61]

That's not what I said. I said the main prize was for the best gross. There would still be a net prize.

But those 10 players you mention have virtually no chance of winning the net. And they are good players.

So You want everyone to pay to enter a comp that they can't win to provide the prize money for the low cat 1 players to clean up every time. But you would graciously allow a tiny amount of the prize money to be given out for the lowest net that the cat1 players are likely to win anyway?

Sounds so appealing to the average player, they would be fighting to enter that format!

 

[bobmac]

So You want everyone to pay to enter a comp that they can't win

That's what the Cat I guys do every week and they are good players.

If I started a new sport and I wasn't very good, I wouldn't expect to win anything but I wouldn't stop trying

But you would graciously allow a tiny amount of the prize money to be given out for the lowest net that the cat1 players are likely to win anyway?

The last medal I played in I was 2 under par off 5 and didn't win so dont tell me that Cat I are likely towin all the net prizes

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's what the Cat I guys do every week and they are good players.

If I started a new sport and I wasn't very good, I wouldn't expect to win anything but I wouldn't stop trying



The last medal I played in I was 2 under par off 5 and didn't win so dont tell me that Cat I are likely towin all the net prizes

Bob - I have won three comps this year all net prizes

Another cat 1 has won two medals

Another cat 1 has won a couple stablefords and won the annual combined summer stableford

In the Grand Prix which is a points accumulations of all the comps there is currently 2 cat 1 in the top 3

 

[bobmac]

Bob - I have won three comps this year all net prizes

Another cat 1 has won two medals

Another cat 1 has won a couple stablefords and won the annual combined summer stableford

In the Grand Prix which is a points accumulations of all the comps there is currently 2 cat 1 in the top 3

Things have obviously changed for the better in the last 11 years then

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Things have obviously changed for the better in the last 11 years then

The winners of our comps seem to be a nice even spread from the low HC to the high HC

Certainly a level playing field from the start

 

[chrisd]

That's not what I said. I said the main prize was for the best gross. There would still be a net prize.

But those 10 players you mention have virtually no chance of winning the net. And they are good players.

Nonsense Bob, I've seen loads of our honour board comps won by single figure and cat 1 players. You also only offer a "token" prize for the h/c winner - why bother playing for that?

 

[IanG]

Just counted our major club medals/meetings for this past season

Cat 1 5 wins
Cat 2 3 wins
Cat 3 3 wins
Cat 4 no wins

Small sample but doesn't look like a problem to be fixed.

 

[bobmac]

Nonsense Bob, I've seen loads of our honour board comps won by single figure and cat 1 players. You also only offer a "token" prize for the h/c winner - why bother playing for that?

When I was playing, Cat I players didn't even get.
As I said, things may have changed for the better.

 

[bobmac]

Just counted our major club medals/meetings for this past season

Cat 1 5 wins
Cat 2 3 wins
Cat 3 3 wins
Cat 4 no wins

Small sample but doesn't look like a problem to be fixed.

As I said, things may have changed for the better

 

[chrisd]

When I was playing, Cat I players didn't even get.
As I said, things may have changed for the better.

Low handicap players always still moan when comps are won by "bandits" and vice versa when cat 1 players prevail, but we can't have meaningful comps without everyone.

 

[Old Skier]

Forward thinking committees will think of ways where all categories of players are happy with the way comps are run and not use the excuse that this or that handicap will suffer by implementing the new changes.

 

[duncan mackie]

Forward thinking committees will think of ways where all categories of players are happy with the way comps are run and not use the excuse that this or that handicap will suffer by implementing the new changes.

When it was originally outlined as a CONGU cat 5 we were 100% behind it. When they changed it to a club only non CONGU handicap we asked some basic questions and got no replies; or rather replies saying they had no answers at this time - at which point the area discussion meetings also got put on hold.

Basically you are already able to do exactly what now seems to be being implemented via the Junior handicap category (there's no age limit on Juniors and the handicaps would seem to have the same validity ie whatever your club committee decide).

 

[chrisd]

When it was originally outlined as a CONGU cat 5 we were 100% behind it. When they changed it to a club only non CONGU handicap we asked some basic questions and got no replies; or rather replies saying they had no answers at this time - at which point the area discussion meetings also got put on hold.

Basically you are already able to do exactly what now seems to be being implemented via the Junior handicap category (there's no age limit on Juniors and the handicaps would seem to have the same validity ie whatever your club committee decide).

Seems like a right botch Duncan?

 

[woody69]

Under the current system I can't see much of a way forward. Club golfers need loads more than 3 cards a year to determine an appropriate hcp. 3 medal scores + 9 supplementary cards would be a decent start, these could be bounce game and or Matchplay returns. Having at least a dozen cards would help committees no end in assessing handicaps at reviews too.

If anything I think this will cause more people to have their handicaps increased.