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[Deleted member 15344]

The club committee Phil, do you have suspicions about anyone at your place, or are you saying it's OK for them to do this!

Ok to do what ? Play within the rules ?

Again what would I be able to do ?

I have a few people that just to supplementary cards to keep an active HC - but there is nothing I can do about them

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So one minute they're doing nothing wrong and the next you want to change rules and conditions of entry, in the mean time, we'll go round and riund in circles and Clubs do nothing?

By the rules of Congu they are doing nothing wrong - it is as simple as that

 

[Deleted member 16999]

By the rules of Congu they are doing nothing wrong - it is as simple as that

So why the need for change?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok to do what ? Play within the rules ?

Again what would I be able to do ?

I have a few people that just to supplementary cards to keep an active HC - but there is nothing I can do about them

If questioned whether they are restricting the comps to manipulate handicap, they have to answer and the question being asked may be enough for them to change!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So why the need for change?

Because I don't believe people should be able to keep an active HC on such a small amount and indeed without playing any qualifying comps

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If questioned whether they are restricting the comps to manipulate handicap, they have to answer and the question being asked may be enough for them to change!

So you start questioning them just because they are following the rules

You can't challenge them unless they are doing something wrong and then need proof

 

[User20205]

My point is that such individuals will easily comply with all and any limits you apply but it will not make the slightest difference to their handicaps - none; zilch.

It won't be any more obvious either - no idea why you think that.

Yes your club can have any CoC restrictions it likes - they won't catch these people either but they can be a good idea. We have a requirement that people have played in 3 club competitions within the previous 12 months for such events for a similar reason.

If people are manipulating the handicap system then the handicap committee need to act - it's nothing to do with any perceived flaws in the system. The most extreme individuals I have been aware of actively play more Q comps (in order to increase their handicaps!).

I agree it's not perfect, but it's a barrier. It's those that shoot 40+ points every roll up and are disappointed if the score 36 that would be shown up by this system (Liverpool Phil)

If the very same fella doesn't repeat that performance in x5 qualifiers I think questions can justifiably be asked. I don't buy the 'cant do it with a card in may hand' nonsense.

All the above does is put this practice in a sharper focus, then it can be handled by peer pressure etc.

is it really that hard to play x5 qualifiers in a 12 month period?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So you start questioning them just because they are following the rules

You can't challenge them unless they are doing something wrong and then need proof

Manipulating your Handicap is against the rules isn't it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Manipulating your Handicap is against the rules isn't it?

Prove they are manipulating their HC ?

You can't accuse people unless you can prove that is what they are doing.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Prove they are manipulating their HC ?

You can't accuse people unless you can prove that is what they are doing.

So your pearl of wisdom is to raise the amount of qualifiers needed from 3 to 5/6/7 etc, so what do you propose Clubs do while we wait for this change, if it ever happens!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So your pearl of wisdom is to raise the amount of qualifiers needed from 3 to 5/6/7 etc, so what do you propose Clubs do while we wait for this change, if it ever happens!

As I have already said in a previous post - change the conditions of entry into their comps

 

[Old Skier]

Just to put a little context on this at the last SW Congu meeting I attended I asked if the amount of qualifiers played to hold on to a "C" handicap should be increased. This was a well attended meeting and less than a 1/4 of the assembled body in the SW felt that the current system needed changing.

If players have an issue with this they should let their clubs know via an AGM and get it fed up the chain. Changing conditions of entry for internal comps can easily resolve the matter as has already been stated.

If you are up to speed on the matter you will know that:

CONGUs original concerns where that players would use them to artificially lower their handicaps
Players can only submit a max of 10 sup cards
Cat 1 players have restrictions placed on them

 

[Old Skier]

So your pearl of wisdom is to raise the amount of qualifiers needed from 3 to 5/6/7 etc, so what do you propose Clubs do while we wait for this change, if it ever happens!

Many people may be playing over 20 Q in a year - are they doing it to raise their handicap or lower it? Players only using the Sup system are playing less.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As I have already said in a previous post - change the conditions of entry into their comps

That only stops them at their course!! Does nothing for the ones visiting other courses.
Surely if at an AR certain players were discussed, it wouldn't be wrong to mention it to them infomally, almost lightheartdly to see how they react, it might just prick their conscience.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That only stops them at their course!! Does nothing for the ones visiting other courses.
Surely if at an AR certain players were discussed, it wouldn't be wrong to mention it to them infomally, almost lightheartdly to see how they react, it might just prick their conscience.

As i said already - change conditions of entry in competition - never said its restricted to home only

Again you can't single out people unless you have proof they are doing something wrong - lightheartedly or not

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As i said already - change conditions of entry in competition - never said its restricted to home only

Again you can't single out people unless you have proof they are doing something wrong - lightheartedly or not

Didn't say they were doing anything wrong, just mentioning what was discussed😃

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Didn't say they were doing anything wrong, just mentioning what was discussed😃

So nothing to be done until they do something wrong - got there in the end

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So nothing to be done until they do something wrong - got there in the end

Eh, he's been approached informally and you hope he gets the message, far better than the nothing you're suggesting until such a time CONGU, who as Old Skier said, don't have an issue, becomes an issue!
P.S. You still haven't answered Pokerjokes posts!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Eh, he's been approached informally and you hope he gets the message, far better than the nothing you're suggesting until such a time CONGU, who as Old Skier said, don't have an issue, becomes an issue!
P.S. You still haven't answered Pokerjokes posts!

Who has been approached ? You can't approach anyone formally or informally unless you can come up with some sort of proof first that he is doing anything wrong

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Who has been approached ? You can't approach anyone formally or informally unless you can come up with some sort of proof first that he is doing anything wrong

That's just a cop out, you constantly go on about rules are rules etc, but your not willing to have a chat with someone !