4bbb - 90% allowance??

[Old Skier]

When it was originally outlined as a CONGU cat 5 we were 100% behind it. When they changed it to a club only non CONGU handicap we asked some basic questions and got no replies; or rather replies saying they had no answers at this time - at which point the area discussion meetings also got put on hold.

Interesting but my understanding at the time was that handicaps >28 would be looked at by the software the same way as juniors handicaps and therefore would come down at the appropriate rate. Is it now your understanding that this is not so.

 

[the smiling assassin]

If anything I think this will cause more people to have their handicaps increased.

I didn't say they should all be lowered - plenty handicap golfers out there with a number too low. I'd include myself in that - due to reduced golf this year my handicap does not reflect my current scoring ability - the system has been extremely slow to react to my decline in scoring.

Up or down, an extraordinary number of club golfers I've come across have a handicap which does not reflect their ability.

Does the US system not base your hcp on your last 20 scores - including competitive, matchplay and bounce games? - Our system is screaming out for a move to something like this. Handicaps that reflect current scoring ability, not snail like adjustments.

Time to scrap it all and start over with something suitable for the 'instant' 21st century.

 

[daverollo]

Does the US system not base your hcp on your last 20 scores - including competitive, matchplay and bounce games? - Our system is screaming out for a move to something like this. Handicaps that reflect current scoring ability, not snail like adjustments.

Time to scrap it all and start over with something suitable for the 'instant' 21st century.

They take the average of your best 10 scores from the last 20 rounds to calculate the handicap, including bounce games and 9 hole games.

However, it is a tad more complex as they also take into account the slope rating (difficulty) of a course along with the USGA course rating and work out what they refer to as a players Handicap Index (Handicap). If they play on a course of average difficulty (Slope rating 113) then that is the handicap they play off for that course. If the slope rating is higher, then they get more shots to play with, or lower slope rating leads to less shots to play with.

What I also like about their system is that if a player has 2 exceptional scores (2 rounds better than 3 shots to their index) then they can make an adjustment to a players index.

It's a lot more complex, but far more reflective of 'current' form for someone.

 

[Fish]

They take the average of your best 10 scores from the last 20 rounds to calculate the handicap, including bounce games and 9 hole games.

However, it is a tad more complex as they also take into account the slope rating (difficulty) of a course along with the USGA course rating and work out what they refer to as a players Handicap Index (Handicap). If they play on a course of average difficulty (Slope rating 113) then that is the handicap they play off for that course. If the slope rating is higher, then they get more shots to play with, or lower slope rating leads to less shots to play with.

What I also like about their system is that if a player has 2 exceptional scores (2 rounds better than 3 shots to their index) then they can make an adjustment to a players index.

It's a lot more complex, but far more reflective of 'current' form for someone.

We now also adopt this down here but not in Scotland, its called an an ESR, Exceptional Scoring Reduction.

 

[chrisd]

We now also adopt this down here but not in Scotland, its called an an ESR, Exceptional Scoring Reduction.

Only you need 2 scores of at least -4 each of CSS

 

[Old Skier]

We now also adopt this down here but not in Scotland, its called an an ESR, Exceptional Scoring Reduction.

Unfortunately it's not compulsory and some clubs are known to ignore it.

 

[duncan mackie]

Interesting but my understanding at the time was that handicaps >28 would be looked at by the software the same way as juniors handicaps and therefore would come down at the appropriate rate. Is it now your understanding that this is not so.

No, that is my understanding. Exactly as the adminiatratation of the existing Junior. But when they go outside 28.4 they go outside CONGU until they get back below this. So they should work fine for improves but are of mixed benefits to those floating around the 28 level.

 

[Fish]

No, that is my understanding. Exactly as the adminiatratation of the existing Junior. But when they go outside 28.4 they go outside CONGU until they get back below this. So they should work fine for improves but are of mixed benefits to those floating around the 28 level.

So if anyone goes above 28.4 do they lose their competition (c) handicap and as you describe, go out of CONGU, are they not allowed to enter any club or open competitions if they were declared at a maximum allowance of 24 or 28, could they not play off the maximum allowance of say 24 if allowed? As such, do they only play with other Cat5 players or put in Supps until back down to Cat4?

I enter comps that are a maximum 18 and simply have to play off that, would they be excluded from everything because of being outside CONGU?

 

[duncan mackie]

So if anyone goes above 28.4 do they lose their competition (c) handicap and as you describe, go out of CONGU, are they not allowed to enter any club or open competitions if they were declared at a maximum allowance of 24 or 28, could they not play off the maximum allowance of say 24 if allowed? As such, do they only play with other Cat5 players or put in Supps until back down to Cat4?

I enter comps that are a maximum 18 and simply have to play off that, would they be excluded from everything because of being outside CONGU?

They can play in their club comps (on the basis that no club would add the category and then rule them out via CoC (would they?).
(C) status is irrelevant in this context.
The issue would be Opens and competitive golf outside their own club environment. An example would be a local seniors league.

There's also a few ? around what happens if a player goes above 28 at their home club which has added the category internally but is also an away member at a club that hasn't! I'm not raising it for debate - simply that answers haven't been forthcoming!

Everything made a lot of sense and was joined up under the original proposals. As frequently happens when quick accommodations are made; it now appears to be a mess.

 

[Ross61]

So if anyone goes above 28.4 do they lose their competition (c) handicap and as you describe, go out of CONGU, are they not allowed to enter any club or open competitions if they were declared at a maximum allowance of 24 or 28, could they not play off the maximum allowance of say 24 if allowed? As such, do they only play with other Cat5 players or put in Supps until back down to Cat4?

I enter comps that are a maximum 18 and simply have to play off that, would they be excluded from everything because of being outside CONGU?

The problem I see is if someone has a handicap of 32 say, and then enters a qualifier and plays off the max of 28, which sounds fine. The problem occurs if they then happen to score 40 points. Which handicap would the reduction happen on the 32 or the 28?

 

[Stuey01]

The problem I see is if someone has a handicap of 32 say, and then enters a qualifier and plays off the max of 28, which sounds fine. The problem occurs if they then happen to score 40 points. Which handicap would the reduction happen on the 32 or the 28?

Their handicap calculation is worked out based on the CSS, and their actual handicap, 32.
In your example they don't have a handicap of 28 it is just the maximum amount of strokes allowed in the comp, very different.