4 club carry only rule for roll ups

[jim8flog]

Really?

I mostly play with a reduced number of clubs (8) because I carry, why can’t I submit a casual play card? Surely it’s the number of shots, not the number of clubs?

but you do that out of choice not by requirement hence when it is a requirement it is non qualifying because it changes a Rule of Golf .

 

[Voyager EMH]

I love these games with only 2, 3, 4 or 5 clubs. Haven't played in one for many years.

My five clubs would be

1. Driver
2. 185yd club
3. 145yd club
4. 105yd club
5. Putter

(By way of explanation, the 105yd club could have 7 ,8 ,9 ,10, W, PW or GW on the sole depending on which set it comes from. Similar thing for the 185 and 145 clubs)

 

[need_my_wedge]

Probably because a limit is being imposed that is less than 14..

I agree that I do it out of choice. But I go back to my original post, is this not just an agreement for the seniors roll up to make it fairer on the oldies that can’t carry full bags? It specifically stated roll ups as opposed to comps. I’d just roll with it.

 

[FuzzyDuck]

For what reason have they enforced that?

Many of the seniors indicated they were wouldn't carry unless they only took 4 clubs and to make sure it was a level playing field this needed to be everyone.

Ultimately its up to you, but I couldn't go that long without playing.

I'll still play, just not with the rollup.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I understand why they made it a level playing field for the seniors but does that apply to both social games and comps. If it were me I'd look to get a game with others to use as many clubs as you are happy carrying. I'd always take a full set with me where possible

 

[Alan Clifford]

Given the specification of 4 clubs + putter, I think I'd go for:
3 hybrid - most versatile long club
6 hybrid - can get it high and it would work for chip and run
Sand wedge - from and over bunkers
9 iron

 

[KenL]

My seniors section have decided to implement a maximum of 4 clubs (+ putter) rule when carry only is in effect, for the roll ups. My course is so boggy in winter, carry only happens very frequently and I had decided to carry anyway until spring. To my mind 4 clubs is at least 2 too few for me to work with and have decided to stop playing until the spring. I suspect I will be viewed by some my senior colleagues as having thrown my toys out of the pram but since I was only marginally enjoying the golf at the moment, this was a step too far for me.

Quite right to stop playing, what a farcical decision.
With members like that and it being a bog, it might be worth looking elsewhere.

 

[Backache]

I love these games with only 2, 3, 4 or 5 clubs. Haven't played in one for many years.

My five clubs would be

1. Driver
2. 185yd club
3. 145yd club
4. 105yd club
5. Putter

In winter 1 + 2 are the same club for me.

 

[Voyager EMH]

In winter 1 + 2 are the same club for me.

You may not hit club number 1 as far as me, but your gaps between clubs will not be as large and I'm guessing your shots received will be greater.
On the whole, more advantages to you over me, I suspect, in this format of play.

 

[OnTour]

Less clubs would probably work for me at any stage in the year, think more about working shots than perfect shots. get the job done over #PerfectOutcome

 

[Bdill93]

Really?

I mostly play with a reduced number of clubs (8) because I carry, why can’t I submit a casual play card? Surely it’s the number of shots, not the number of clubs?

I saw some people discussing this in another thread, I think the argument was that "Are you really trying to shoot your best score possible if you're only carrying 6 clubs" or something to that effect.

"If you're not trying your best - you're trying to manipulate your handicap."

Again - not my arguments - don't shoot the messenger!

 

[Old Colner]

"If you're not trying your best - you're trying to manipulate your handicap."

I think people are forgetting this is winter golf, the OP's course sounds very similar to ours in how the setup for the winter, due to conditions the course is a lot shorter, bunkers GUR and rounds do not qualify for handicap cards over the winter.

 

[Bdill93]

I think people are forgetting this is winter golf, the OP's course sounds very similar to ours in how the setup for the winter, due to conditions the course is a lot shorter, bunkers GUR and rounds do not qualify for handicap cards over the winter.

This wasn't a response relating to the OP it was someone questioning why they couldn't put in a GP card with a half set.

 

[rulefan]

I saw some people discussing this in another thread, I think the argument was that "Are you really trying to shoot your best score possible if you're only carrying 6 clubs" or something to that effect.

"If you're not trying your best - you're trying to manipulate your handicap."

Again - not my arguments - don't shoot the messenger!

As it says in Rule 1.3.
A player is expected to:
- Attempt to make the best score possible at each hole.

If he isn't using his sand wedge or driver when he normally would given a choice, how can he make his best possible score?

 

[need_my_wedge]

I saw some people discussing this in another thread, I think the argument was that "Are you really trying to shoot your best score possible if you're only carrying 6 clubs" or something to that effect.

"If you're not trying your best - you're trying to manipulate your handicap."

Again - not my arguments - don't shoot the messenger!

Wow.... that's some argument (I get that you're just the messenger). Personally, How many clubs do you need to shoot your best score? That is possibly a different discussion - I won a two clubs and a putter comp once, using 7 iron, PW and putter, shot 36 points........ I only ever try to play my best, regardless of how many clubs I carry, although of late I am more about enjoying the round than the score. Saying that, this year I've dropped from 15 to 10, had a hole in one and shot a couple of 79's round my track and two 78 rounds (one at Lofoten ), all playing just 8 clubs. I think the argument that you are trying to manipulate your handicap is a bit farcical. I'm sure there may be some that may do that, but unless we are all forced to play exactly the same club for a particular yardage, I don't see how it can stack up as an argument. Even then it doesn't because we all hit our clubs different distances.

My bag: These yardages are my general yardages and depend on my swing that day and the conditions, but, are enough that I can cover most holes without worrying that I haven't got a club. Playing the shot is different (100 yds with a 9 or PW), but that's the fun in the challenge. I know which club I will use for a general distance and select the one I think will get there, sometimes playing shorter, sometimes longer. I really don't see how anyone would think that I was trying to manipulate a handicap..... I realize you are not accusing me, just using myself for the discussion topic

Driver - anything from 150 - 300 yards
4 hybrid - 190 - 220 yds
6 iron - 170 - 190 yds
7 iron - 150 - 170 yds
8 iron - 150 - 160 yds
9 iron - 140- 150 yds
pw - 80 - 140 yds
sw - 1 - 90 yds
Putter - 1 inch - 70 feet....


I think unless there is an obvious case, I wouldn't even of considered that as a thought...

 

[patricks148]

Wow.... that's some argument (I get that you're just the messenger). Personally, How many clubs do you need to shoot your best score? That is possibly a different discussion - I won a two clubs and a putter comp once, using 7 iron, PW and putter, shot 36 points........ I only ever try to play my best, regardless of how many clubs I carry, although of late I am more about enjoying the round than the score. Saying that, this year I've dropped from 15 to 10, had a hole in one and shot a couple of 79's round my track and two 78 rounds (one at Lofoten ), all playing just 8 clubs. I think the argument that you are trying to manipulate your handicap is a bit farcical. I'm sure there may be some that may do that, but unless we are all forced to play exactly the same club for a particular yardage, I don't see how it can stack up as an argument. Even then it doesn't because we all hit our clubs different distances.

My bag: These yardages are my general yardages and depend on my swing that day and the conditions, but, are enough that I can cover most holes without worrying that I haven't got a club. Playing the shot is different (100 yds with a 9 or PW), but that's the fun in the challenge. I know which club I will use for a general distance and select the one I think will get there, sometimes playing shorter, sometimes longer. I really don't see how anyone would think that I was trying to manipulate a handicap..... I realize you are not accusing me, just using myself for the discussion topic

Driver - anything from 150 - 300 yards
4 hybrid - 190 - 220 yds
6 iron - 170 - 190 yds
7 iron - 150 - 170 yds
8 iron - 150 - 160 yds
9 iron - 140- 150 yds
pw - 80 - 140 yds
sw - 1 - 90 yds
Putter - 1 inch - 70 feet....


I think unless there is an obvious case, I wouldn't even of considered that as a thought...

I'd agree, as I said earlier, it's amazing how many pb scores we get in our 3 club comp. Last time I played I shot 73 gross and my pp said that's a great score, that's got to be a win. I don't think I was even in the top 10 (net) ??

 

[Deleted member 29109]

As it says in Rule 1.3.
A player is expected to:
- Attempt to make the best score possible at each hole.

If he isn't using his sand wedge or driver when he normally would given a choice, how can he make his best possible score?

Where in the rule does it state which clubs a player must carry?

 

[LincolnShep]

If you want to continue using a full set, can't you just ask to be excused from the prizes as you're not complying with the terms of the competition? Seems a bit extreme to stop playing altogether.

 

[rulefan]

Where in the rule does it state which clubs a player must carry?

It doesn't. But if the player is restricted in his choice he cannot be playing under the Rules of Golf as specified in 2.1b.
The R&A have stated:
Under the Rules of Golf it is not possible to restrict the player in the choice of club .....

 

[FuzzyDuck]

If you want to continue using a full set, can't you just ask to be excused from the prizes as you're not complying with the terms of the competition? Seems a bit extreme to stop playing altogether.

Yes that is an option.