Zero Torque Putters? Is it hype or a thing?

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If the top players felt they could gain a meaningful advantage playing a zero torque putter they would in a heartbeat.
Im a fan of a face balanced putter but this sounds a bit like snake oil to me.
The science suggesting that face-balance, which reduces torque, offers a benefit is the same as that for zero torque.
You either believe that torque has an effect or you don't. If you don't then you have no reason to be fan of any level of balance over another.
Why is a little reduction of torque good but total removal of torque snake oil?
 
Does it? I thought if there was weight in any particular direction, then it would pivot slightly in their 'revealer'. You're talking about heel-hang which has existed for a long time before LABs. Odyssey toe-up for example came out like a decade ago.

Can someone who has one prove or deny this for us please? (@Burnsey I'm looking at you)

I hate being centre of attention :LOL:

Correct lie angle, which could be adjusted in any putter has helped my stroke, but even that can be thwarted if my stance is not spot on every putt.

A L.A.B. fitting is like a lesson in itself and helps people like me to understand the dynamics. I am only interested in what works for me and genuinely don't care how it gets there.

All I can say, is currently set up for me, the stroke is uniform and only pace seems to affect if the ball drops in the hole or not. I have the odd pull through user error, but it has made me a better putter. Maybe that could have happened with a fitting for absolutely any putter - who knows?
 
So putts per round is not a statistic accepted then?

Someone goes from an average of x, to an average x10 lees (for example) per round is not putting better?

Could be lessons, a new putter, or an act of god, but your statement was 'probably no huge difference to their game overall' is factually incorrect then?
Putts per round is a very woolly statistic. Just because you had less putts per round doesn't automatically mean your putting is better. Your approach play may be better and you got closer to the hole each time. Your approach play may be worse but your scrambling was good and you got close to the hole. You may have chipped in once or twice and not needed to putt.
A better statistic may be feet of putts holed?
 
I hate being centre of attention :LOL:

Correct lie angle, which could be adjusted in any putter has helped my stroke, but even that can be thwarted if my stance is not spot on every putt.

A L.A.B. fitting is like a lesson in itself and helps people like me to understand the dynamics. I am only interested in what works for me and genuinely don't care how it gets there.

All I can say, is currently set up for me, the stroke is uniform and only pace seems to affect if the ball drops in the hole or not. I have the odd pull through user error, but it has made me a better putter. Maybe that could have happened with a fitting for absolutely any putter - who knows?
I just meant can you grab one of your LABs, balance it on one finger and see if the head falls pointing in a particular direction please??


No putts per round is a useless stat.
The rest is just waffle.
It's not useless you just need to caveat it with other stats. 32 putts with every green hit is pretty decent putting, 32 putts with every green missed and chipping on, not so great. But if you take two rounds where you hit the same number of greens with similar proximity to the hole, and went from 34 putts to 29, then you obviously holed more putts / putted better. 🤷🏻‍♂️ It just requires context.
 
Does it? I thought if there was weight in any particular direction, then it would pivot slightly in their 'revealer'. You're talking about heel-hang which has existed for a long time before LABs. Odyssey toe-up for example came out like a decade ago.

Can someone who has one prove or deny this for us please? (@Burnsey I'm looking at you)
I haven't got one but have tried the balance thing with my pal's LAB.
It doesn't naturally rest in any specific position. Hold it toe up, toe down or anywhere in between and it just stays there. Spin it and it just stops wherever.
 
I haven't got one but have tried the balance thing with my pal's LAB.
It doesn't naturally rest in any specific position. Hold it toe up, toe down or anywhere in between and it just stays there. Spin it and it just stops wherever.
Thanks! I was right then. 😁
 
If something works for some people, it's done it's job. To label it as "snake oil" is silly just because "you" don't like it or its look.
If things hadnt developed, we would all still be playing hickory shafts and the old blade putters.
 
Eh? Rich just said exactly what I said was correct. Are you calling him a liar? 🤔
Watch from 3:00 to 3:20.
When he spins them they just stop where they stop. They only go toe up when he places them on the ground in address position. The point is that they stay in the position where the stroke starts.

Presumably if they were to settle toe up they must surely be heel weighted, not neutral zero torque.

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Don't matter none though.

 
I always find this stat a bit skewed unless you hit every green in regulation, but that’s a topic for a different thread.

I hit 10 GIRs

1.5 putts per hole from my 8 missed greens
1.5 putts per hole from my 10 GIRs

I don’t track stats and you are obviously correct over a big dataset.

27 putts is an anomaly for me, I doubt I’ve had under 30 putts in the last 5 years. Was it because of the new putter? No… it was just one of those days.
 
I hit 10 GIRs

1.5 putts per hole from my 8 missed greens
1.5 putts per hole from my 10 GIRs

I don’t track stats and you are obviously correct over a big dataset.

27 putts is an anomaly for me, I doubt I’ve had under 30 putts in the last 5 years. Was it because of the new putter? No… it was just one of those days.
According to Arcoss - 1.8 putts per hole - 2.1 GIR on an average of 50 rounds. I have used mallets and blades milled and not in those numbers but I am only gaining 0.1 strokes off a 9 handicap for my putting so whatever weapon I use it tells me work to be done. Losig 0.6 strokes gained in the 0-6 foot range so doesn't need working out

Wold a zero torque putter make me any better. Arguably but I am not going to be testing one. I am using a mallet (Odyssey O-Works 2-ball) and have stuck with it for a month or so as my handicap has dropped so hard to know if I am simply putting better with one putter, just putting better or having a purple patch
 
I just meant can you grab one of your LABs, balance it on one finger and see if the head falls pointing in a particular direction please??



It's not useless you just need to caveat it with other stats. 32 putts with every green hit is pretty decent putting, 32 putts with every green missed and chipping on, not so great. But if you take two rounds where you hit the same number of greens with similar proximity to the hole, and went from 34 putts to 29, then you obviously holed more putts / putted better. 🤷🏻‍♂️ It just requires context.
no, it's a pretty naff stat.
 
If something works for some people, it's done it's job. To label it as "snake oil" is silly just because "you" don't like it or its look.
If things hadnt developed, we would all still be playing hickory shafts and the old blade putters.
The putter itself isnt being suggested as snake oil, just the contention that zero torque is a factor whatsoever in the performance of a given putter.
So it isnt silly at all.
Similarly, nobody is criticising development. Just 'development' that is masquerading as development. Its entirely correct to call that out without being a luddite.
 
All you doubters can surely tell us the reasons it doesn't work, or is the number of bones in the body the best you can give hahahahaha

Lovingly posted by a luddite.
 
I popped into Silvermere last night. Tried the New LAB Oz and the new Bettinardi Antidote. Also tried a Scotty Cameron. All my putts went the same. Didn't feel any difference in the zero torque personally. All three of them felt nice.

However I would class myself as a reasonable putter so feel as long as I have trust in what I am using then the rest could be a placebo
 
There is probably never going to be a putter technology that is objectively better for 100% of golfers. If you ran the numbers on people who tried LABs, you might find they're better for 30% of players, no change for 50% of players, and actively worse for 20% of players who don't get on with them. Does that make them snake oil? No, I don't think so. It's just another option to try and find out what group you fit into.
It can still make the 'zero torque helps' angle snake oil though. Just because people use them, like them, maybe even putt better with them, does not validate the scientific claim (if one is being made at all. Not sure that one is) that there is a 'technology' to zt and that it benefits anybody's putting at all.
 
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