Zero Torque Putters? Is it hype or a thing?

[hambugerpete]

Burger man has an explanation, just doesn’t know how to articulate it.

Or, he’s making it up to be obtuse, probably because they’ve not yet hit sub £25 at GCFC.

Making what up ? You clearly have me confused with someone else, asking me for scientific links .

 

[Neilds]

I find it odd still.
Someone wearing a leather glove, holding a rubber grip on a steel (or graphite) pipe that has some flex connected to a lump of metal hitting a plastic/rubber ball can "feel" the difference depending on whether that lump of metal is forged or cast, but a zero torque claim about a putter is snake oil?
I would suggest that some don't like whats said because they don't just like the putter or who is saying it.
If it works for someone and they like it thats good enough for me.

Can I also state that "feel" is snake oil, it is sound (but that is an argument discussion for another slow day)

 

[hambugerpete]

I find it odd still.
Someone wearing a leather glove, holding a rubber grip on a steel (or graphite) pipe that has some flex connected to a lump of metal hitting a plastic/rubber ball can "feel" the difference depending on whether that lump of metal is forged or cast, but a zero torque claim about a putter is snake oil?
I would suggest that some don't like whats said because they don't just like the putter or who is saying it.
If it works for someone and they like it thats good enough for me.

Id be amazed if anyone could tell the difference between cast and forged clubs on feel alone with any great accuracy.

 

[Burnsey]

Making what up ? You clearly have me confused with someone else, asking me for scientific links .

What’s for sure is you’ve absolutely no clue what you’re on about.

That’s my last bit of brain effort trying to make any sense of your drivel.

 

[hambugerpete]

What’s for sure is you’ve absolutely no clue what you’re on about.

That’s my last bit of brain effort trying to make any sense of your drivel.

So yes then but ashamed to admit it.
Thats ok.

 

[RichA]

Can I also state that "feel" is snake oil, it is sound (but that is an argument discussion for another slow day)

Is that why my ears hurt a bit but my fingers are completely fine when I thin the ball on a cold morning?

 

[hambugerpete]

Is that why my ears hurt a bit but my fingers are completely fine when I thin the ball on a cold morning?

Misunderstanding of whats been said. Of course you can feel sensations through the club, just not enough to differentiate between cast and forged

 

[Bdill93]

Having used a LAB and multiple standard putters I believe there is something in the technology.

Just felt incredibly easy to putt with, id have one in the bag if I could justify the price.

 

[RichA]

Misunderstanding of whats been said. Of course you can feel sensations through the club, just not enough to differentiate between cast and forged

I must have missed the comment about cast and forged. Only saw the general comment about feel and sound.

 

[hambugerpete]

I must have missed the comment about cast and forged. Only saw the general comment about feel and sound.

Indeed

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Having used a LAB and multiple standard putters I believe there is something in the technology.

Just felt incredibly easy to putt with, id have one in the bag if I could justify the price.

Shhhhhh...you're only supposed to be argueing it's scientific snake pol
Just for the record, thats exactly what my lad said about it, and he did take the plunge.

 

[Burnsey]

So yes then but ashamed to admit it.
Thats ok.

Lad, adding a smiley doesn't make your posts any less condescending, so wind it in.

You are a certified whopper.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Lad, adding a smiley doesn't make your posts any less condescending, so wind it in.

You are a certified whopper

Can I suggest not. A Whopper can be very pleasant when youre hungry
As long as theres enough fries to go with it

 

[JonnyGutteridge]

On the face balanced putters…

I had a putting lesson last year as I had developed the yips.
I had a Scotty Newport Select 2.5 and the pro immediately commented that I was trying to counteract the natural toe flow of that putter (which is enormous) with my stroke. I didn’t take the putter back with enough of an arc, and through impact I was opening the face with my hands.

I was trying to putt “square to square” but with a putter that wanted to close through impact. So I had to do wild things with my hands to make that happen - and it wasn’t working, hence the yips.

He went and got his Spider which is much more face balanced, and the difference in my ability to hit a putt changed instantly.

He could have changed my putting to make it work with the toe hang, but changing the putter to match my stroke seemed more logical to us both.

I think putters depend on how you think, as well as how you actually putt. If you view your stroke as a straight back and through motion, where the face is always square to target, you need a face balanced putter really.
If you have more of an arc, and you are comfortable with the opening and closing of the face relative to target, and have no problems getting it square at impact, then continue with your toe hang putter.

 

[Bdill93]

Shhhhhh...you're only supposed to beargueing it's scientific snake pol
Just for the record, thats exactly what my lad said about it, and he did take the plunge.

Never felt a putter like it, never have again.

Might treat myself to a new Putter later this year, the Odysseys are very well priced if they're basically the same thing.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

On the face balanced putters…

I had a putting lesson last year as I had developed the yips.
I had a Scotty Newport Select 2.5 and the pro immediately commented that I was trying to counteract the natural toe flow of that putter (which is enormous) with my stroke. I didn’t take the putter back with enough of an arc, and through impact I was opening the face with my hands.

I was trying to putt “square to square” but with a putter that wanted to close through impact. So I had to do wild things with my hands to make that happen - and it wasn’t working, hence the yips.

He went and got his Spider which is much more face balanced, and the difference in my ability to hit a putt changed instantly.

He could have changed my putting to make it work with the toe hang, but changing the putter to match my stroke seemed more logical to us both.

I think putters depend on how you think, as well as how you actually putt. If you view your stroke as a straight back and through motion, where the face is always square to target, you need a face balanced putter really.
If you have more of an arc, and you are comfortable with the opening and closing of the face relative to target, and have no problems getting it square at impact, then continue with your toe hang putter.

A few years ago, Ping brought out a device that clamped onto your putter and linked to an app. It gave you your putting arc/motion which then depending on what the result was gave a suggestion of 1 of 5 different putter styles they did. I knwo when I tried it, my putter I was using was one of those it said suited my putting stroke. Its a shame it never really went very far.

 

[hambugerpete]

Lad, adding a smiley doesn't make your posts any less condescending, so wind it in.

You are a certified whopper.

But you clearly have me muddled with someone and are just doubling down

 

[hambugerpete]

On the face balanced putters…

I had a putting lesson last year as I had developed the yips.
I had a Scotty Newport Select 2.5 and the pro immediately commented that I was trying to counteract the natural toe flow of that putter (which is enormous) with my stroke. I didn’t take the putter back with enough of an arc, and through impact I was opening the face with my hands.

I was trying to putt “square to square” but with a putter that wanted to close through impact. So I had to do wild things with my hands to make that happen - and it wasn’t working, hence the yips.

He went and got his Spider which is much more face balanced, and the difference in my ability to hit a putt changed instantly.

He could have changed my putting to make it work with the toe hang, but changing the putter to match my stroke seemed more logical to us both.

I think putters depend on how you think, as well as how you actually putt. If you view your stroke as a straight back and through motion, where the face is always square to target, you need a face balanced putter really.
If you have more of an arc, and you are comfortable with the opening and closing of the face relative to target, and have no problems getting it square at impact, then continue with your toe hang putter.

I swapped to a face balanced from and Scotty and it's made a difference, also rotating the putter closed through impact with a toe hang putter.
But zero torque does it also cure baldness

 

[RichA]

I swapped to a face balanced from and Scotty and it's made a difference, also rotating the putter closed through impact with a toe hang putter.
But zero torque does it also cure baldness

The difference between a toe hang putter and your preferred face balanced putter is that there is less torque.
If you think there is a difference between toe hang and face balanced then you are acknowledging that torque has an effect on your putting motion.
So why would you think that reducing that torque to zero would not benefit others?

 

[hambugerpete]

The difference between a toe hang putter and your preferred face balanced putter is that there is less torque.
If you think there is a difference between toe hang and face balanced then you are acknowledging that torque has an effect on your putting motion.
So why would you think that reducing that torque to zero would not benefit others?

Zero torque... How much is there to start with on a swing for a 5 foot putt.
I miss putts because I hit the ball to hard or not hard enough or because I aimed wrong or because I hit a poorly repaired pitch mark or because I'm too far away or because because because.
I don't really know if my face putter has made much difference, I just like it.