WHS & ISV Issues (Please post only if you are a handicap secretary or involved in admin at your club)

[Old Skier]

Fault 3 not a fault really as some will choose not to input the fraction in some NQ games. You also have to put the fraction in on a qualifier

 

[IanMcC]

You also have to put the fraction in on a qualifier

That is not the case when I set up a qualifier on ClubV1. The option for the the fraction disappears, and the software automatically gives each player 95%.

 

[Old Skier]

That is not the case when I set up a qualifier on ClubV1. The option for the the fraction disappears, and the software automatically gives each player 95%.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t noticed..

 

[rosecott]

That is not the case when I set up a qualifier on ClubV1. The option for the the fraction disappears, and the software automatically gives each player 95%.

It's the same with Handicapmaster. All the templates for counting competitions have now been changed to set handicap allowance automatically at 95%.

 

[Old Skier]

It's the same with Handicapmaster. All the templates for counting competitions have now been changed to set handicap allowance automatically at 95%.

Does that include BB or just qualifiers

 

[IanMcC]

It's the same with Handicapmaster. All the templates for counting competitions have now been changed to set handicap allowance automatically at 95%.

How does HandicapMaster deal with non qualifiers? Do you have to input the fraction yourself?

 

[rosecott]

How does HandicapMaster deal with non qualifiers? Do you have to input the fraction yourself?

All our singles competitions are counting - as far as I can see the word qualifier seems to be obsolete.

 

[IanMcC]

All our singles competitions are counting - as far as I can see the word qualifier seems to be obsolete.

Yes, I was using it for convenience. A comp is now either acceptable or non acceptable. In winter we have preferred lies everywhere, so non acceptable.

 

[rulefan]

No, I was able to put any club in using the drop down.

Our manager has now managed to find the other course but has not entered the player's 'supplementary'

We thought that the process is that the player declares his intent at the 'other' course and a 'registration' is made there. After play, he returns his score and that club 'records' the score.
In the situation we have, the player returned from a trip out and brought back a card which he asked to be recorded as a 'supplementary'. The issue is that we have no proof of pre-declaration.
What is the correct procedure? And is this a loophole?

 

[rosecott]

Yes, I was using it for convenience. A comp is now either acceptable or non acceptable. In winter we have preferred lies everywhere, so non acceptable.

Yes - interesting that Handicapmaster now uses the phrase "counting for handicap". I wonder why they didn't use "acceptable".

 

[Old Skier]

Yes, I was using it for convenience. A comp is now either acceptable or non acceptable. In winter we have preferred lies everywhere, so non acceptable.

V1 still says Q or NQ as far as I can see and obviously the option needs to remain because circumstances may req comp to be a NQ.

 

[Old Skier]

Our manager has now managed to find the other course but has not entered the player's 'supplementary'

We thought that the process is that the player declares his intent at the 'other' course and a 'registration' is made there. After play, he returns his score and that club 'records' the score.
In the situation we have, the player returned from a trip out and brought back a card which he asked to be recorded as a 'supplementary'. The issue is that we have no proof of pre-declaration.
What is the correct procedure? And is this a loophole?

I suppose it is a loop hole at the moment but it has been suggested that cards will in the future be done at the visiting club however for years I have seen posts on here arguing that all scores count so why can’t we take the word of the player that he registered. EG was even pushing it during the WHS seminars.

 

[rulefan]

I suppose it is a loop hole at the moment but it has been suggested that cards will in the future be done at the visiting club however for years I have seen posts on here arguing that all scores count so why can’t we take the word of the player that he registered. EG was even pushing it during the WHS seminars.

I see your point but I'm not convinced. This guy had a good score but my concern is 'open' bandits.

 

[rosecott]

I suppose it is a loop hole at the moment but it has been suggested that cards will in the future be done at the visiting club however for years I have seen posts on here arguing that all scores count so why can’t we take the word of the player that he registered. EG was even pushing it during the WHS seminars.

The whole point of pre-registration is it removes the element of choice. You register and the card has to be submitted - good or bad. Rightly or wrongly, Rulefan is concerned that the scorecard just happens to be good.

 

[Old Skier]

I see your point but I'm not convinced. This guy had a good score but my concern is 'open' bandits.

If it's a good card all the more reason to use it

 

[rulefan]

If it's a good card all the more reason to use it

No problem there but it could set a precedent for more unscrupulous members - except there are no such golfers.

 

[Swango1980]

If it's a good card all the more reason to use it

That is always concerned me. I know of a local club, whose Committee actively "force" players to hand in cards from their weekly social roll ups, only if they have a good score. The result is that most of their key players (who play most of these roll ups) have ridiculously lower handicaps than you'd expect if you saw them play. It is no surprise they went from winning the handicap county league about 8 years ago, to plummeting to the bottom division.

On a more regular scenario, non-committee members are often quite persuasive in pressuring a new member to submit a score after a good social round. Pre-registration does offer protection against this. However, it will be interesting how the software will be set up to do this, and make it robust, for both home and away scores. I can see players having a good score on a saturday, and then pre-registering and entering it later in the day, or maybe doing it on the sunday, if they were really determined to submit it.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Texas Scrambles - there is no option in the playing allowance table for 3 ball TSs.

Our ladies section play a lot of these in winter but it appears you cannot generate a competition on Club V1 for 3 players. Does anyone else have a problem with being able to load / score this format?

 

[Old Skier]

Texas Scrambles - there is no option in the playing allowance table for 3 ball TSs.

Our ladies section play a lot of these in winter but it appears you cannot generate a competition on Club V1 for 3 players. Does anyone else have a problem with being able to load / score this format?

First page details, 2,3,4 team size

 

[Old Skier]

I think 30-20-10% recommend