Not playing the second day of a two-day tournament... (WHS question)

[Orikoru]

Our club championships is over two days. After the first round they ask everyone to confirm if they're coming back for the following day. My mate NRed on the Saturday so informed them he wouldn't be playing on the Sunday.

I just glanced at his handicap record in England Golf, and his Saturday card is there as it should be, however for Sunday they've entered another card for him with effectively 18 blobs for a score differential of 58. Is that correct?? Seems odd given that he stated that he wasn't playing. I thought this would only happen if you did play but failed to enter your score or return a card?

 

[Default Golfer]

I agree with you. That score should be deleted from his record.

 

[nickjdavis]

seems harsh to me....none of the requirements for a score to be acceptable for handicapping purposes have been met!!!!

 

[PaulMdj]

Our club championships is over two days. After the first round they ask everyone to confirm if they're coming back for the following day. My mate NRed on the Saturday so informed them he wouldn't be playing on the Sunday.

I just glanced at his handicap record in England Golf, and his Saturday card is there as it should be, however for Sunday they've entered another card for him with effectively 18 blobs for a score differential of 58. Is that correct?? Seems odd given that he stated that he wasn't playing. I thought this would only happen if you did play but failed to enter your score or return a card?

Do you pay for your Club Champs, if you do, do you have to pay for both days upfront?

The reason I ask is, at our place you have to pay for both days upfront, if you drop out and tell them, you don’t get a refund and you would get another card for the sunday.

The only reason they want to know if people are playing or not is to organise the tee times better for the 2nd day.

Harsh, I agree, but it is in the terms of comp.

 

[LIG]

Someone at the club has foozled and not done their job properly. If there was no score acceptable for handicapping then there shouldn't be anything on his EG record.
The club will need to reopen the Comp to correct it then refinalise it.

 

[jim8flog]

Depends on what you mean by 'blobs'. From what you are saying it has gone in is 18 NRs

They should have recorded it as 18 x NS (hole not started) and not 18 x NR (hole started but not finished)

It would then automatically not affect their WHS record.

 

[PaulMdj]

Here’s a screenshot off a mate who was off 1.7 at the time playing a 36 hole comp, bad first round, withdrew for 2nd.
This appeared on his EG record for the 2nd round.

 

[Orikoru]

Do you pay for your Club Champs, if you do, do you have to pay for both days upfront?

The reason I ask is, at our place you have to pay for both days upfront, if you drop out and tell them, you don’t get a refund and you would get another card for the sunday.

The only reason they want to know if people are playing or not is to organise the tee times better for the 2nd day.

Harsh, I agree, but it is in the terms of comp.

Yeah it's one fee at the beginning. I'm sure I NRed last year or the year before and didn't get a second card added though. Maybe they've changed how they do it. Seems crazy to get a complete card of blobs added when you don't even tee it up.

 

[PaulMdj]

Yeah it's one fee at the beginning. I'm sure I NRed last year or the year before and didn't get a second card added though. Maybe they've changed how they do it. Seems crazy to get a complete card of blobs added when you don't even tee it up.

Especially when you look at the record I posted, that score will never appear in his best 8 or affect his handicap. Waste of time.

 

[Orikoru]

Depends on what you mean by 'blobs'. From what you are saying it has gone in is 18 NRs

They should have recorded it as 18 x NS (hole not started) and not 18 x NR (hole started but not finished)

It would then automatically not affect their WHS record.

I've attached two screenshots of how it's been entered.

 

[woofers]

Depends on what you mean by 'blobs'. From what you are saying it has gone in is 18 NRs

They should have recorded it as 18 x NS (hole not started) and not 18 x NR (hole started but not finished)

It would then automatically not affect their WHS record.

This at best.
Since he had no intention of submitting a score for handicap purposes I would suggest he doesn’t comply with the requirements of the Rules of Handicapping and the result should be removed from his record.

 

[woofers]

Someone at the club has foozled and not done their job properly. If there was no score acceptable for handicapping then there shouldn't be anything on his EG record.
The club will need to reopen the Comp to correct it then refinalise it.

Or just go into the EG platform and delete the score from his record.

 

[jim8flog]

This at best.
Since he had no intention of submitting a score for handicap purposes I would suggest he doesn’t comply with the requirements of the Rules of Handicapping and the result should be removed from his record.

They may need 2 scores to be recorded for the sake of the results of the comp.

 

[jim8flog]

I've attached two screenshots of how it's been entered.

Yes some needs to go in the score and change all the individual scores to NS or as already suggested simply delete the score from their record.

I am surprised that the person running the comp does not know the difference between NR and NS although I see a lot of players who do not. Old habits hard to correct.

 

[woofers]

They may need 2 scores to be recorded for the sake of the results of the comp.

In which case WD should suffice ?

 

[D-S]

If he didn’t play then no score should be on his WHS record - simple.

Just tell the committee that.

 

[IanMcC]

He committed to entering a score for day 2 by paying his entry fee. Hence, he should get a penalty score of CH + CR.

 

[woofers]

From the Rules of Handicapping Guidance document:

 

[IanMcC]

From the Rules of Handicapping Guidance document:
View attachment 53848

I stand corrected.
I'm surprised though. A bit like the 4bbb philosophy, this seems to fly in the face of the original intention.

 

[Orikoru]

From the Rules of Handicapping Guidance document:
View attachment 53848

Thanks for this. I've sent him this so he can complain and ask for it to be removed. I knew it didn't feel right!