WHS Handicap Index - Finally Revealed

[Mozza14]

Just think, regular golfers, most of whom have no interest in how CONGU or WHS work, will have to use this for real in less than 2 weeks. So far, they have not seen the WHS Portal. They have no idea what their Index is. Hopefully some have bothered to listen to what their club has been saying about how it works generally. However, I think many many golfers, even those that have tried to learn about WHS, will be in for a shock on 2nd November, and everything has changed.

And personally, as a handicap secretary who has tried to learn about this for a couple of years, I have no idea how any of this will look to them. What will howdidido look like when a golfer logs in (or whichever ISV is used)? How will Club V1 competition templates and handicapping sections look different. Will golfers use howdidido, or WHS Portal? How will they pre-register for supplementary scores and submit them before midnight. How will the software be set up to allow handicap secretaries to easily check when a dodgy supplementary has been added?

This was promised to be so so easy. Just log into an app, check your index, and off you go. For a system where golfers will be heavily reliant on the software, I am shocked that we haven't seen the final version months before launch, so we know exactly what we are facing when it comes into play.

You have perfectly described the missing ingredients. I have been asking our Handicap Secretary for exactly this for several months. It isn't his fault but none of these deliverables have been produced let alone any sort of testing /parallel run. Brave if they are going to run with this.

 

[Mozza14]

I'm inclined to agree

When taking the individual score record the transition routine should have taken the CSS instead of using the Course Rating. That would have brought the Differential down by the Score Differential between (CSS - SSS).
The formula is Score Differential = (113/Slope) x (Gross - CR - PCC)
PCC is the equivalent of (CSS - SSS)
So the formula is Score Differential = (113/Slope) x (Gross - CR - (CSS - SSS))

Yes that is my spec.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Just had an email from my club showing the course handicaps. Someone with a HI of 54 will get 66 shots off the white tees

 

[rulefan]

Just had an email from my club showing the course handicaps. Someone with a HI of 54 will get 66 shots off the white tees

I don't think you'll see many taking it on.

 

[Swango1980]

Just had an email from my club showing the course handicaps. Someone with a HI of 54 will get 66 shots off the white tees

In truth, we have some, how can I say it, very poor beginners who have joined in last year. No doubt they will improve rapidly, but definitely go round in well over 100, even 120+. However, their handicaps are typically high 30's at most. After all, contributing to those high scores will be some shocker holes that will get trimmed down a bit for handicap. Under WHS, they would/should get a lower index, more likely mid to low 30's.

So, although handicap index goes up to 54, I would be very very surprised if anybody gets an index close to that high in reality. Otherwise, you are looking at a golfer who probably shoots 130-140 on a great day, and on a typical day 150-200.

 

[IanM]

I'm inclined to agree

When taking the individual score record the transition routine should have taken the CSS instead of using the Course Rating. That would have brought the Differential down by the Score Differential between (CSS - SSS).
The formula is Score Differential = (113/Slope) x (Gross - CR - PCC)
PCC is the equivalent of (CSS - SSS)
So the formula is Score Differential = (113/Slope) x (Gross - CR - (CSS - SSS))

 

[jim8flog]

Just had an email from my club showing the course handicaps. Someone with a HI of 54 will get 66 shots off the white tees

The only players with over 50 handicaps where I play are new junior golfers.

 

[Swango1980]

ATTENTION ALL

Just received an e-mail to say WHS Platform is now open to all golfers from England Golf.

However, the caveat is that it says their e-mail addresses and DOB must be on the WHS Club Platform before directing them to log in. So, as we use Club V1, does that mean this will be impossible until 1st November. I'm certainly not manually typing in all this information myself, when the club spect time weeks ago chasing for this info and entering it into Club V1

 

[YandaB]

ATTENTION ALL

Just received an e-mail to say WHS Platform is now open to all golfers from England Golf.

However, the caveat is that it says their e-mail addresses and DOB must be on the WHS Club Platform before directing them to log in. So, as we use Club V1, does that mean this will be impossible until 1st November. I'm certainly not manually typing in all this information myself, when the club spect time weeks ago chasing for this info and entering it into Club V1

I've been to the site and whilst I can see my indicative handicap index, I also get this warning:


Unfortunately, there is no email address attached to your account, so at this time we cannot complete the registration process.
To unlock your full scoring history, including the scores that have counted towards your new index - you will need to instruct your golf club to upload your email address onto the WHS platform.

 

[YandaB]

I've been to the site and whilst I can see my indicative handicap index, I also get this warning:


Unfortunately, there is no email address attached to your account, so at this time we cannot complete the registration process.
To unlock your full scoring history, including the scores that have counted towards your new index - you will need to instruct your golf club to upload your email address onto the WHS platform.

To be clear, I got no email, I had just been monitoring the ENgland Golf My Account page for any changes.

 

[rosecott]

To be clear, I got no email, I had just been monitoring the ENgland Golf My Account page for any changes.

The emails have now been sent to club members

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://members.whsplatform.england...f Union Limited&dm_i=4ON0,XUYP,3BX4NO,47PS3,1

Use your CDH number

 

[Swango1980]

To be clear, I got no email, I had just been monitoring the ENgland Golf My Account page for any changes.

Yes, just got my friend to check, and he got same message

So, basically, unless e-mail addresses and DOD are on WHS platform, golfers will get no further than this.

So, who is going to type all these manually? Who is going to wait until the ISV send this information to WHS, like they were supposed to?

 

[rulefan]

Yes, just got my friend to check, and he got same message

So, basically, unless e-mail addresses and DOD are on WHS platform, golfers will get no further than this.

So, who is going to type all these manually? Who is going to wait until the ISV send this information to WHS, like they were supposed to?

Provided the club has finished entering any missing info the ISVs should have done it when the club gives the ok.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Provided the club has finished entering any missing info the ISVs should have done it when the club gives the ok.

On The ClubSystem website:

National governing bodies in GB&I will be using the data contained in their current CDHs to calculate new WHS handicap indices. No scores data is being sent to the new WHS systems until the 2nd November Launch date.

Therefore if you run qualifying competitions, or accept supplementary scores, at any time between now and the 1st November, we will attempt to send those scores to the existing CDHs. Scores processed after that date will be sent and processed by the new CDHs.

Personal Data: Members' email addresses, dates of birth etc are now being transmitted (in England and Wales) from ClubV1 to the English and Welsh new central databases (where permission has been granted)

In Ireland and Scotland this data is not being requested.

The upload process for English and Welsh clubs should be complete in the next 24-48 hours.

whs@clubsystems.com

 

[Whereditgo]

Just logged on to see if my spreadsheet was close to the WHS one, HI 13.2 on my spreadsheet and HI 13.3 on England Golf WHS.

 

[rulefan]

Just logged on to see if my spreadsheet was close to the WHS one, HI 13.2 on my spreadsheet and HI 13.3 on England Golf WHS.

Did you round your score differentials before averaging?

 

[harpo_72]

Just had an email from my club showing the course handicaps. Someone with a HI of 54 will get 66 shots off the white tees

Oh go home and take up something else ... ffs... some course management is required. My little boy won’t be playing any competitive golf until he can hit the ball consistently, some of you may disagree with that but that’s the way it’s going to be, and I will encourage him every step of the way, and help where I can.
I just checked my index, it’s dropped 0.3, so really no change but they only had 2 rounds to use, and I feel I have a few shots in the tank and those will become evident when more cards get handed in.

 

[Whereditgo]

Probably differences in rounding

Almost certainly - I was actually rather pleased that my spreadsheet was so close

 

[YandaB]

Yes, just got my friend to check, and he got same message

So, basically, unless e-mail addresses and DOD are on WHS platform, golfers will get no further than this.

So, who is going to type all these manually? Who is going to wait until the ISV send this information to WHS, like they were supposed to?

England Golf already had my email address associated with my CDH, they have beens sending me weekly emails. No need to get it from the ISV.