Orikoru
Tour Winner
I think he just meant that stroke index 16 should indicate it's among the easier holes, yet it practise it's not easy.
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Whites And Yellows
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TheJezster
Tour Rookie
Our 1st is a 227 yard par 3, with OOB to the left and crap to the right. Followed by our SI 1 435 yard Par 4 2nd... tough starting holes, you'd take 4 and 5 any day.
Our 8th is then another 223 yard par 3 but the best is our 12th, a 240+ yard par 3 tree lined with green slightly lower than the tee. It's a pig of a hole, I think Peter Aliss once described it as the hardest par 4 in the country!
Our 8th is then another 223 yard par 3 but the best is our 12th, a 240+ yard par 3 tree lined with green slightly lower than the tee. It's a pig of a hole, I think Peter Aliss once described it as the hardest par 4 in the country!
rulefan
Tour Winner
Presumably your club doesn't involve itself in much match play.
Significant research has shown that 'swings and roundabouts' gives the same stableford points pretty well all the time regardless of where/why stroke holes are allocated. In particular, the top few scores were not impacted.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Perhaps they have used the CONGU recommendation.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Where is this ? They are brutal par3s.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Coming back to Whites and Yellows...
Just had an email from the club informing me that the White tees can now be used for non-competition golf at weekends after 11am.....
Previously we have been banned from the Whites unless in competition.
I'm sat here trying to fathom what's so special about 11am on a Saturday or Sunday that makes it ok to use the Whites for a social when 11am, or indeed any other time you can think of, during the week isn't......
Just had an email from the club informing me that the White tees can now be used for non-competition golf at weekends after 11am.....
Previously we have been banned from the Whites unless in competition.
I'm sat here trying to fathom what's so special about 11am on a Saturday or Sunday that makes it ok to use the Whites for a social when 11am, or indeed any other time you can think of, during the week isn't......
Are you asking to make sure you can avoid it? I would, not much fun to be had in those holes 😳
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
Wimbledon Common Golf Club. Worth a look if your around the area. It's only a short course but extremely tight. You do get some people looking at the card and assuming the can 'take it apart'. They cant :-D A very good test of golf and the greens are brilliant, amongst the best in the area.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Isn't that Homer's old course?
Sounds like a nightmare. Haha
Sounds like a nightmare. Haha
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Have to agree and what about the 12th as a card wrecker https://www.wcgc.co.uk/course/hole_by_hole/hole_12
HamiltonGuy
Active member
Well in matchplay it’s deemed the 3rd easiest. He bogeyed it as his only hole. That’s my point. That’s the relevance. Apologies if you missed this was pretty complicated I suppose
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Well, in match play it's simply allocated as SI16 for the distribution of strokes. Technically there's no direct link between how easy it is to par, or difficulty - and in practice there are as many arguments for strokes to be given on the easiest holes than the hardest as well.
However, your point that the hole is tough is well made.
williamalex1
Money List Winner
On most courses, stroke index 1 and 2 still indicate they're the most difficult holes despite CONGU recommendations. I know our stroke index 1 and 2 hasn't change in the last 40 years . Although other holes have changed their SI.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Playing all those +200 yard par 3s all the time would get tiresome but I certainly would like the challenge of trying to work them out. there is nearly always somewhere you can bail out and try to make par from there.
Actually don't mind one long one per course as its a good challenge and you are not losing shots on the field if you can make par. In fact a lot of times you are gaining a shot on almost everyone.
rulefan
Tour Winner
How many of the 1800+ courses in England have you contacted to find out how they assessed SI allocation?
williamalex1
Money List Winner
None, but it might be an idea for someone to start a poll / survey on this forum , is their SI 1 is the hardest hole
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User20204
Well-known member
The changing of the SI at my place is the main reason there is very little entrants from single digit players to matchplay comps now.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Not in our case (by either of the evaluation approaches - average score relative to par or the lowest % achieving par). However, from a statistical perspective, and relevant to this tangent on this thread, there are massive differences in how different golfing categories find holes to play; typically for cat 1 as a group it will be a difficult par 3 when for 2 & 3 it's more likely to be a long par 4.None, but it might be an idea for someone to start a poll / survey on this forum , is their SI 1 is the hardest hole
As I've said many times, I'm a strong believer in stableford scored play being significantly more enjoyable when SI do reflect the difficulty in making par, as it does for the more specific Bogey comp format. For match play it's much more about distribution, and I would far rather give a single stroke on the easiest hole on the course than the hardest for the obvious reasons - but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
rulefan
Tour Winner
it was something of a revelation to me when I started doing course rating. The difference in the relative difficulty of some holes when looking at the 'points' for the scratch and bogey player. Then when comparing the problems presented to the model scratch or bogey player and individual members of the rating team. The extreme cases could be seen with the real bogey player. Long hitting but erratic with but short game vs short hitter but skilful chipper and putter.
Further re match play distribution. The classic example is A off -0.4 and B off -0.5, standing all square on the 18th tee (SI 1, 180 yard par 3). Who do you put your money on?
Further re match play distribution. The classic example is A off -0.4 and B off -0.5, standing all square on the 18th tee (SI 1, 180 yard par 3). Who do you put your money on?
Definitely are at our place. 1 and 2, split front and back 9, are clearly the toughest. The rest are not ranked by difficulty imo.None, but it might be an idea for someone to start a poll / survey on this forum , is their SI 1 is the hardest hole
