williamalex1
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Our par 3, 5th is 230 yards.There's one at Carluke GC the 12th i think ,240 uphill with around 40 feet elevation.
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Not necessarily.
Without knowing the hole you can’t judge. If it’s downhill it may play closer to 200yds.
Why, just why? I'm guessing huge chunks of the members will just play it as a 4. The pleasure of a good par 3, imo, is to test your iron play, your short irons in particular. Maybe that is too simplistic but that is how I see it. 230yds or 240 uphill is a driver for 90% of amateurs and a driver plus 1 other club for probably 40% (I'm guessing figures here). Where is the fun in those holes?Our par 3, 5th is 230 yards.There's one at Carluke GC the 12th i think ,240 uphill with around 40 feet elevation.
I'm making assumptions without seeing it, you are correct. As a rule of thumb though 250yds is still likely to be a big whack even if downhill.
Can you name the course and hole? Is there a flyover or picture that we can see on the club website?
If you don't want to name the club then don't post, don't want you to get into trouble just to please a little curiosity.
williamalex1
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Grant85
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Anyway folks. Par is just a number - the course is the same for everyone playing / competing.
So what if it is a par 4 or a par 3? It's the same hole.
Does it suddenly become easier as a par 4? Is the standard scratch going to change?
We have a 200 yard and a 220 yard par 3, both uphill, the 220 quite seriously up hill. People get completely frustrated at these and especially on the 220 yarder, & take on shots they would never risk at a par 4.
Play it as a par 4 and make a 2 putt 4. Simples.
So what if it is a par 4 or a par 3? It's the same hole.
Does it suddenly become easier as a par 4? Is the standard scratch going to change?
We have a 200 yard and a 220 yard par 3, both uphill, the 220 quite seriously up hill. People get completely frustrated at these and especially on the 220 yarder, & take on shots they would never risk at a par 4.
Play it as a par 4 and make a 2 putt 4. Simples.
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220.
Why not hit it at the green and try to make less than 4?
Why not hit it at the green and try to make less than 4?
Grant85
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Also heard an interesting point from the Pro at our place. He said for longer hitters, including many amatuers, it is likely that they would play all the par 4s and par 5s without hitting more than a 7 or 8 iron as an approach (unless they go for the par 5s in 2). So a big reason clubs are happy to have longer par 3s is that puts a long iron or hybrid in these guys hands and tests them. Obviously as lower handicaps or scratch golfers, they will not feel they have the luxury of a 'shot' to lay back at a long par 3.
But for most handicap players, they will be getting a shot at a 220 yard par 3 and so can choose to use it and take some risk out of play.
But for most handicap players, they will be getting a shot at a 220 yard par 3 and so can choose to use it and take some risk out of play.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
A 250 yard par 3?? Really?
That's what it says on the scorecard and I can assure you the first time I played off the whites I hit driver (not a full shot as the fairway was narrow and the fairway flat and hard), but didn't reach.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I fully agree with that. A par 3 you need your driver to reach is pointless in my opinion. Driver gets enough use on the other holes.
Forres GC has a 248 yard par 3, its downhill though
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I largely agree with that, just play the holes in the fewest shots you can regardless of par. But when most courses only have around four par 3s, I think it's a waste one of them is long enough to require a driver - as Lord T said, par 3s are about testing your iron play (or at least hybrid play) in hitting a green, IMO.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Styal. There is no fly over. Some of white tees are well back from the yellows. BUT, it is flat and currently rock hard. Incredible drainage in the place. It used to be a swamp. But is brilliant now.
Pathetic Shark
Tour Rookie
Pyrford is pretty different on the tough four holes, 10-13. The seniors play all their comps off the yellow tees which is so sensible it surely has no place in modern golf We also have what we call Midweek Whites compared to competition whites which go back a fair way. Then we play knockout competitions off the actual white plates.
We also have what we call Midweek Whites compared to competition whites which go back a fair way. Then we play knockout competitions off the actual white plates.
Grant85
Head Pro
Ideally you'd have at least one short and one mid par 3. But your mid iron is another mans wedge. And your driver is another mans mid to long iron.
Ours are 150, 200, 220 and 124 from the whites. Possibly the 220 yarder could be extended and made a short par 4 and it would be a great hole - but there's 1,000 things to spend money on without redesigning a hole that has been there for 100 years.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
220 is probably just about ok for me. In summer you can hit a hybrid or fairway wood at that if you get a bit of roll. (Although I don't know what the bunker placement is like.) But 250 yards is excessive.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Pyrford is pretty different on the tough four holes, 10-13. The seniors play all their comps off the yellow tees which is so sensible it surely has no place in modern golf
Just seen a comp result from yesterday (there appears to be a comp on most days!!!!!!). Seniors...off yellows. No wonder!
You are right but if par doesn't matter then why have it at all? It is a target to aim for, in stableford you get more points for it. It is easy to say ignore par, harder to do.
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Bear Shouther is one if the poorest holes on the course unlike the 7th hole Wishing well. Don't see the 11th being turned into a par 4 as it would do nothing for the hole
