US Open

[Deleted member 15344]

Rule 1-2 only applies if there is no other rule that applies to the situation. Rule 14-5 applies to a player making a stroke at a moving ball. As Mickelson made a stroke at a moving ball rule 14-5 applies and so Rule 1-2 cannot be used.

If Micklsons actions were deliberate to enable him to gain an advantage then he I believe the committee can DQ him under 1-2. If it’s an action without thinking and not looking to gain an advantage then 14-5 plain old hitting a moving ball - the deliberate actions are key

 

[Fish]

If Micklsons actions were deliberate to enable him to gain an advantage then he I believe the committee can DQ him under 1-2. If it’s an action without thinking and not looking to gain an advantage then 14-5 plain old hitting a moving ball - the deliberate actions are key

He was putting for a 6 wasn’t he, that means at best he’d have got a 7 + 2 shot penalty 9 if the moving putt back had gone in and if he had time to think about taking a deliberate penalty for an advantage, where on earth could that ever be construed as gaining an advantage, carding a 9?

 

[Wilson]

Just said he did it as he felt it was a better option that going back off the green, he described it as taking advaage if the rules.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He was putting for a 6 wasn’t he, that means at best he’d have got a 7 + 2 shot penalty 9 if the moving putt back had gone in and if he had time to think about taking a deliberate penalty for an advantage, where on earth could that ever be construed as gaining an advantage, carding a 9?

Mickelson has pretty much just admitted that he took the penalty to save a bigger score because the ball was going to be ending up back in that awful position which could have ended up with him taking a lot more than a 10. So it’s deliberate and it’s very poor from him

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Just said he did it as he felt it was a better option that going back off the green, he described it as taking advaage if the rules.

Very poor form from Mickleson and his interview didn't do him any favours, especially "taking advantage of the rules". It may be the case but definitely not in the spirit and very un-Phil like. Deliberate definitely but penalised within the rules so time to move on especially as DJ is making it interesting for all of the chasing pack

 

[Wilson]

Interesting interview with Zach Johnson going on....says they’ve lost the golf course, not good when DJ has only just teed off on the 5th.... interesting evening ahead!

 

[fundy]

Zach Johnson trying hard to take the heat of Mickleson in his interview

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Zach Johnson trying hard to take the heat of Mickleson in his interview

Very honest interview. Think he made some very valid points and did so in a calm way. Sadly I don't think the USGA will heed any critique from any of the players and will continue to produce US Open courses in the same way they are. Last year's event wasn't a great advert for them and the course wasn't suitable according to Johnson (and I'd agree) and there were issues last time it was at Shinnecock which clearly haven't been addressed

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Zach Johnson trying hard to take the heat of Mickleson in his interview

Butch and co plus on course commentators suggesting the same as well , going to be carnage with the wind and the greens borderline going

This could end up worse than a decade ago.

This was always going to be the case and you could see that on day one

 

[Imurg]

So they've "lost the course"...
Being pedantic but in order to lose something you have to have had it to start with - and I don't reckon they did!
USGA obsession with par makes a mockery of the game
IMO....

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I've been watching the coverage today and I'm getting sick and tired of everyone moaning about the course. IMO everyone is playing the same course on the same day and you get the luck/break with the weather as you find it..... It's like listening to 5 year olds moaning that things aren't fair.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So they've "lost the course"...
Being pedantic but in order to lose something you have to have had it to start with - and I don't reckon they did!
USGA obsession with par makes a mockery of the game
IMO....

It was a poor course and set up last year and a mockery this but I can't see the USGA changing even in the face of damning public criticism and negative feedback from the players.

 

[clubchamp98]

Is there a difference in breaking a rule, and deliberately breaking a rule to gain an obvious advantage.

I am thinking of the lady who placed her ball back in wrong place didn’t she get a four shot penalty.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Think if PM did it on purpose he should be DQd.

 

[fundy]

Is there a difference in breaking a rule, and deliberately breaking a rule to gain an obvious advantage.

I am thinking of the lady who placed her ball back in wrong place didn’t she get a four shot penalty.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Think if PM did it on purpose he should be DQd.

you mean Lexi, hers was pre the rule change, she got 2 shots for the offense and 2 for signing for a wrong card

 

[Fish]

So will players eventually not play in it?
If a few marquee players said enough is enough, no thanks, what would happen?
Are they obliged to play in it?

 

[Imurg]

So will players eventually not play in it?
If a few marquee players said enough is enough, no thanks, what would happen?
Are they obliged to play in it?

Unlikely but possible.
As someone said earlier on twitter, at a time when everyone's trying to grow the game you wonder how many people are are watching and saying "Mmm...I fancy having a go at this"
Apparently the final group are on "suicide watch"......
Never liked the US Open and this is doing nothing to change my mind.

 

[Sports_Fanatic]

Very poor form from Mickleson and his interview didn't do him any favours, especially "taking advantage of the rules". It may be the case but definitely not in the spirit and very un-Phil like. Deliberate definitely but penalised within the rules so time to move on especially as DJ is making it interesting for all of the chasing pack

I know I’ve said it before but I’m not sure it’s unlike him, he’s taken some dubious rule breaks over the years including finding a drain in a middle of a bush 80yds off line.

Love his short game but for me, I still think the old FIGJAM is there, he just went for a new media persona. Hope I’m wrong about that but something never quite sits right

 

[Jamesbrown]

Oh the course is too hard, perhaps we should limit the distance of the ball, should we make the holes bigger too? Where’s delc?!

 

[Fish]

I know I’ve said it before but I’m not sure it’s unlike him, he’s taken some dubious rule breaks over the years including finding a drain in a middle of a bush 80yds off line.

Love his short game but for me, I still think the old FIGJAM is there, he just went for a new media persona. Hope I’m wrong about that but something never quite sits right

Rules are not just designed to punish though, are they?

 

[Sports_Fanatic]

Rules are not just designed to punish though, are they?

They’re not, but when you can’t swing a club then the stance shouldn’t matter. It just seemed a bit ropey to me at the time.

Today obviously much worse