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Weather always seems to be nice there thoughwe've been watching Shetland on Iplayer - a very good series but i'm not sure i fancy moving there given all the crime
Weather always seems to be nice there thoughwe've been watching Shetland on Iplayer - a very good series but i'm not sure i fancy moving there given all the crime
Was the CPS involved at any time ?The Post Office Scandal has been on my mind all day and every day this week.
Spent a lot of time finding out more about the true story.
Government owned business, but with little or no scrutiny of its operations by government and the government put nothing in place to do any scrutiny.
Thus we had a case of CEO with absolute power. And what does absolute power do according to a 19th century adage?
700 wrongful convictions. This is a widespread fraud by abuse of position in my view.
Planned and prolonged with multiple victims. Not an opportunistic fraud.
Sentencing guidelines for such a fraud would be 6 to 10 years.
This will never happen.
There is a case against Post Office Ltd. Not against individuals.
Since this is government owned, it is ordinary folks against the government with the tax payer forking out compensation.
We need one word for the Post Office Scandal. Perhaps POS ?
"Get POS done" is perhaps what we need to have shouted at the government.
Get all convictions quashed and all compensation payments finalised before the general election.
GET IT DONE.
They have been through enough. And enough is enough.
This won't happen either. Its going to drag on for several more years.
Complete and utter failure of government and judicial system was on our tv screens this week.
Largest miscarriage of justice in our country's history.
I've watched every series, enjoyed them all. Not sure I've ever seen the sun come out though .Weather always seems to be nice there though
Was the CPS involved at any time ?
If not then this should be a lesson to government.
No organisation should be able to just prosecute their own cases!
The CPS would have seen a link hopefully??
So the “ your the only one “ would have been spotted earlier.
Enjoyed the first series last year. Was surprised they made a second one though as it looks to be exactly the same as the first one.Amanda and Alan's Italian Job. Okay, I'd rather be tasered down below than watch Amanda Holden normally but on this occasion I can let it go. They've bought a run down house in Tuscany for €1 and will spend the summer doing it up. It's really a fun look at Tuscany, beautiful, with a bit of house renovation thrown in.
Lots of fun, lovely scenery, happy days
Don't mess with a winning formula . They moved it to a different part of Italy but I don't mind that it's the same. Seeing Tuscany at it's best whilst we are in the misery of January, that will do for meEnjoyed the first series last year. Was surprised they made a second one though as it looks to be exactly the same as the first one.
Brief glimpses suggest it’s our sort of tv…though with same Holden caveat.Amanda and Alan's Italian Job. Okay, I'd rather be tasered down below than watch Amanda Holden normally but on this occasion I can let it go. They've bought a run down house in Tuscany for €1 and will spend the summer doing it up. It's really a fun look at Tuscany, beautiful, with a bit of house renovation thrown in.
Lots of fun, lovely scenery, happy days
I'll watch it for the same reasons, but it does strike me as daytime tv in the evening, if you know what I meanDon't mess with a winning formula . They moved it to a different part of Italy but I don't mind that it's the same. Seeing Tuscany at it's best whilst we are in the misery of January, that will do for me
was thinking the same thing!! On series 7 now!we've been watching Shetland on Iplayer - a very good series but i'm not sure i fancy moving there given all the crime
The Post Office Scandal has been on my mind all day and every day this week.
Spent a lot of time finding out more about the true story.
Government owned business, but with little or no scrutiny of its operations by government and the government put nothing in place to do any scrutiny.
Thus we had a case of CEO with absolute power. And what does absolute power do according to a 19th century adage?
700 wrongful convictions. This is a widespread fraud by abuse of position in my view.
Planned and prolonged with multiple victims. Not an opportunistic fraud.
Sentencing guidelines for such a fraud would be 6 to 10 years.
This will never happen.
There is a case against Post Office Ltd. Not against individuals.
Since this is government owned, it is ordinary folks against the government with the tax payer forking out compensation.
We need one word for the Post Office Scandal. Perhaps POS ?
"Get POS done" is perhaps what we need to have shouted at the government.
Get all convictions quashed and all compensation payments finalised before the general election.
GET IT DONE.
They have been through enough. And enough is enough.
This won't happen either. Its going to drag on for several more years.
Complete and utter failure of government and judicial system was on our tv screens this week.
Largest miscarriage of justice in our country's history.
Watched the first 2 episodes of Reacher, enjoyable and easy to watch.
we've been watching Shetland on Iplayer - a very good series but i'm not sure i fancy moving there given all the crime
I agree with you that a case of fraud will not be brought against individuals.Whilst I totally agree with your viewpoint, what this absolutely isn’t is fraud by abuse of position or, indeed, a fraud of any kind. For a person to have committed this offence they have to have done so intending to make a gain themselves or cause another to make a loss.
I can’t see how any individual at the PO has made a gain as a result of any alleged activities. And I think it would be equally difficult, at least legally, to prove that they had intended another to make a loss. It is indisputable that many people made losses, but for the offence of fraud to be made out in a court it must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the defendant INTENDED for that loss to come about. I’m less than convinced that is what went on here. Incompetence of breathtaking proportions and on an industrial scale, perhaps. But fraud? Probably not.
Yes, completely different. This guy is physically up to the job.Is the fella playing Reacher more suited to the role than Tom Cruise? Having read the books I could never believe he was cast in the film role.
I agree with you that a case of fraud will not be brought against individuals.
Sub-postmasters were accused and prosecuted for causing financial losses to the Post Office.
They were forced to pay money to the Post Office. This caused them, the sub-postmasters, to sufferer a loss.
The Post Office obtained money from the sub-postmasters wrongfully.
At some point, over the years, it became obvious that the postmasters were not at fault, but the persecution continued, knowingly and wilfully, by individuals at the Post Office who knew that it was Horizon fault.
The Post Office should be found guilty of an equal and opposite crime of taking money that did not belong to them. (Theft?)
I believe individuals are responsible for this.
Whether individuals can be held to be culpable or even accountable for this, I find very unlikely.
They are morally guilty, but unlikely to be found criminally guilty.
There may be cases of withholding evidence from an enquiry or perverting the course of justice, but I doubt that these will be brought either.
We can only wait and see.
I believe there may be a call for the Post Office to pay the £46 million costs of the other side in the 2019/2020 action. This would allow a greater re-imbursement for the 555.