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Agree absolutely that there are individuals in the PO hierarchy who should be held to account, and if they are proven to have broken any laws, they should be prosecuted. Just not for fraud and, equally, they’ve probably not committed theft.

Fraud can be an absolute nightmare to prove in court, especially if it’s corporate, and I pity any juror who has to sit through a complex fraud case. I have long believed that such hearings should be held in front of a jury with some degree of expert knowledge, such are the complexities, but then you could say the same for any case where any complex forensic evidence is key.

Theft is relatively straightforward in most cases. There are four points to prove to make out an offence of theft, and without boring anyone, all I will say is that I think it highly unlikely that any individual on the PO side has committed it.

All of which means that this is probably far less straightforward to untangle than it probably appears at first glance. That said, it remains abundantly clear that, organisationally, the PO have behaved appallingly. And it must therefore follow that there are individuals who should be held accountable. If, by being held accountable, it means they are dragged through the courts and potentially found to have committed criminal offences, whatever those offences may be, then I will be absolutely delighted.

That’s scant reward for those whose lives have been destroyed. But it’s a start.
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Doesn’t the fact that they made people pay money they didn’t owe, knowingly, which will have ended up in company cash flow, amount to fraud?
 
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JamesR said:
Doesn’t the fact that they made people pay money they didn’t owe, knowingly, which will have ended up in company cash flow, amount to fraud?
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But individuals will almost certainly claim that they had every reason to honestly believe that Horizon was infallible, and that the monies were genuinely owed. Fraud can be exceptionally difficult to prosecute successfully, and unless the prosecution can satisfy every element of the offence beyond reasonable doubt, the offence as a whole is not made out.

One of those elements in the case of fraud by abuse of position is dishonesty. Depending on what individuals accessing the postmasters’ accounts actually knew, or had been told, I would suggest proving they actually acted dishonestly would be problematic at best.
 
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Stranger Things again. Never watched series 4 as I had forgotten much of what happened in the first 3 series (a problem at my age when there is a long gap between series and the plot is ongoing throughout them all) so I started from the beginning. Not sure I get what the hype was about now, it is OK but really nothing special.

With start binge watching Echo on Disney plus tomorrow as it is meant to be more in line with the Netflix Marvel series as opposed to being a totally child friendly MCU show.
 
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Lots of people tell me What We Do In The Shadows is good so we've given that another go (we watched the first episode only, ages ago). Couple more episodes in and it's decent, not blown away by it yet though. Even though I'm a big Matt Berry fan.
 
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