Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is she got what it takes to be PM? Or is she like Gordie Broon - competent and totally comfortable in a very senior government role - but basically just not up to the job of PM.

Two recent examples of where a PM needs a thick skin but where May shows that hers is not so thick: taking a very hard and public line on cabinet leaks when she knows that in politics leaking is part of the game. This just gives the impression that she feels vulnerable and not in control; and the Trousergate - where she has set her #1 'attack dog' on Nicky Morgan and banned her from No10 and from attending Brexit meetings - for suggesting nigh on £1000 on a pair of pants in a photo shoot is not quite the message the NAACs (Not At All Coping) and JAMs needed. That just seems petulant and counter productive.

Then there is her almost complete silence on approach to Brexit - except when she is slapping down miscreants making statements verging on Brexit policy feelers - sounds like micro-management borne of insecurity. And my wife commented that she seems to be walking with more of a stoop these days - is the weight on her shoulders getting too much?

I actually did have hopes for TM - but not sure she is up to it.

In post #1328 @drdel posts...

yet from page 1 is was very clear that you despise the woman and there is absolutely nothing she can do that you would view as positive.

yes quite right - from the very start...or maybe not.

I think were you to look further back to the days just after she became PM I posted a rather positive response to her first speech as PM...I actually thought for a short while that she might be OK - her words on becoming PM were just spot on for me. She sounded a decent proponent of 'christian democratic' principles...

And compared to the bunch she had defeated or who had pulled out she certainly seemed the best of an awful bunch. But as it became more evident that my hopes were being dashed I opened this thread - asking the question...was she up to it...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's spot on, just like his Brexit views he will criticize everything coming from the UK and praise all from the EU. Even I am not that closed in my view.

Just wrong

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes you are...

Brexit may just turn out to be the best thing to happen to the UK for several generations. However, due to the incredible difficulty of disentangling ourselves from decades of trade/politics, its possible that we could lose an entire generation to a self imposed recession. That generation would include both my children. You'll have to forgive me if I find the laissez faire attitude of some on here a touch annoying.

Just a touch...

 

[bobmac]

Yes you are...

Brexit may just turn out to be the best thing to happen to the UK for several generations. However, due to the incredible difficulty of disentangling ourselves from decades of trade/politics, its possible that we could lose an entire generation to a self imposed recession. That generation would include both my children. You'll have to forgive me if I find the laissez faire attitude of some on here a touch annoying.

It's also possible that we might not lose an entire generation to a self imposed recession.

We've never left the EU before so no one knows what's going to happen.

Some see doom and gloom, others see a great opportunity.
I suggest only time will tell

 

[chrisd]

We've never left the EU before so no one knows what's going to happen.

I suspect someone will post up soon exactly what will happen 🤔

 

[Doon frae Troon]

David Davis has resigned.

 

[jp5]

Can only imagine how we look to Brussels, a right shambles! Apparently "Brexit means Brexit" only gets you so far.

 

[SocketRocket]

Can only imagine how we look to Brussels, a right shambles! Apparently "Brexit means Brexit" only gets you so far.

And who is to blame for that then. We are a country tainted by slithering backstabbing spineless people who are working to frustrate democracy so they can overturn the referendum vote. I am ashamed of what we have become, we all know that the majority vote was to leave the EU in total, anyone saying otherwise is playing games with the truth. Because of this stupidity the Government will now probably fall and we will get what we deserve, Corbyn and his pathetic hangers on, then you will see the country brought to it's knees and the economy ruined for another generation. OH! and the EU will not be able to stop that.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And who is to blame for that then. We are a country tainted by slithering backstabbing spineless people who are working to frustrate democracy so they can overturn the referendum vote. I am ashamed of what we have become, we all know that the majority vote was to leave the EU in total, anyone saying otherwise is playing games with the truth. Because of this stupidity the Government will now probably fall and we will get what we deserve, Corbyn and his pathetic hangers on, then you will see the country brought to it's knees and the economy ruined for another generation. OH! and the EU will not be able to stop that.

[sigh]
It was a very small majority, a 2% swing would have seen a different result.
The Leave leader said that a small majority for Stay would be 'unfinished business'

Davis seemed to want the negotiations to fail from day one, no sad loss, not up to the job.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

[sigh]
It was a very small majority, a 2% swing would have seen a different result.
The Leave leader said that a small majority for Stay would be 'unfinished business'

Davis seemed to want the negotiations to fail from day one, no sad loss, not up to the job.

He was supposed to be the man in charge of the plan - and he has just been telling Today that it was May who has just in the last week or so come up with this plan. So either there was a plan when she triggered Art50 or there wasn't. And if the Lancaster House objectives were 'the plan' - well as was stated many timed - having blue sky objectives is not the same as having a plan to achieve an outcome given known constraints. And these constraints were known before the vote and before Art50 was triggered - but in their deluded and duplicitous arrogance the Leave campaign convinced many voters that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU and so the EU constraints would have to flex to enable the UK objectives to be met.

Well that thinking hasn't got us very far.

Is May up to the job of PM? Let's see whether or not there are 48 Kamikaze Brexiteer (Dan Hodges MoS) Tory MPs who think that she isn't.

 

[rudebhoy]

Going to be an interesting week. If the hardliners are serious about toppling her, now is the time.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

He was supposed to be the man in charge of the plan - and he has just been telling Today that it was May who has just in the last week or so come up with this plan. So either there was a plan when she triggered Art50 or there wasn't. And if the Lancaster House objectives were 'the plan' - well as was stated many timed - having blue sky objectives is not the same as having a plan to achieve an outcome given known constraints. And these constraints were known before the vote and before Art50 was triggered - but in their deluded and duplicitous arrogance the Leave campaign convinced many voters that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU and so the EU constraints would have to flex to enable the UK objectives to be met.

Well that thinking hasn't got us very far.

Is May up to the job of PM? Let's see whether or not there are 48 Kamikaze Brexiteer (Dan Hodges MoS) Tory MPs who think that she isn't.

They will self destruct it is in their nature.
Remember the wilderness years of Howard/Haig etc, endless infighting.

 

[bobmac]

So either there was a plan when she triggered Art50 or there wasn't.

Correct.

Trying to prove there was no plan gets us where exactly?

 

[jp5]

Still find it baffling that the PM at this time is someone who didn't (doesn't?) believe in the project. About time one of the prominent leave campaigners steps up and takes responsibility before we slide into a situation that leaves no one happy!

 

[MegaSteve]

So, is Jeremy Hunt as big a [insert suitable adjective] as he came across as on the telly this morning?

With a colleague like him who needs enemies...

 

[MegaSteve]

…. before we slide into a situation that leaves no one happy!

I would suggest we are past that point already...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Correct.

Trying to prove there was no plan gets us where exactly?

It gets an admission that Remain voters were correct in their concerns that there did not seem to be a plan, and that without a plan things would not go well. And concerns were dismissed as naive moaning - and we were assured there was a plan but the government could not reveal it as doing so would undermine our negotiating position.

So why should I vaguely trust anything a Brexiteer tells me about the future and an alternative plan to May's that will deliver a glorious Brexit future - because - to coin a phrase - one thing I know for a fact - unicorns do not exist.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

With a 52-48% vote it was unlikely to please many people anyway. The govt have tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. Perhaps would have been better having conviction of an approach and ploughing down that route. Two years in and most of us are none the wiser as to what the govt are negotiating over. It is still wishy washy.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Still find it baffling that the PM at this time is someone who didn't (doesn't?) believe in the project. About time one of the prominent leave campaigners steps up and takes responsibility before we slide into a situation that leaves no one happy!

We'd have had Boris Johnson as PM; Michael Gove as Home Secretary, and Andrea Leadsom as Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Well what fun that would have been.

 

[bobmac]

It gets an admission that Remain voters were correct in their concerns that there did not seem to be a plan, and that without a plan things would not go well. And concerns were dismissed as naive moaning - and we were assured there was a plan but the government could not reveal it as doing so would undermine our negotiating position.

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Assuming all that is true (which I don't) for arguments sake, just say you prove there was no plan, now what?