Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Griffsters]

That somewhere over the rainbow there will be unicorns... ?

Oh there had better be unicorns aplenty, otherwise lots of people are going to be mighty disappointed.

 

[IanM]

Autumn election anyone?

I'd be amazed if there isn't...

Need a thread now on what might happen in if the IRA/HAMAS Chap gets in as Prime Minister! and Abacus as Home Secretary! Brexit will be small spuds if that happens!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Boris now resigns!

So that's the end of the May Government methinks and it will be a Government that will take a firmer approach with Brexit.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You have to think the house of cards will be coming down now.

Amazing time to be in a news office. The govt is falling apart, the Thai boys are coming out and so far so good, a lady has died from a horrible nerve agent and England are in the semi's of the World Cup. If ever there was a day to slip out bad news...…………..

 

[MegaSteve]

Need a thread now on what might happen in if the IRA/HAMAS Chap gets in as Prime Minister! and Abacus as Home Secretary! Brexit will be small spuds if that happens!

And so it begins...

 

[ColchesterFC]

BBC reporting that Boris has also quit. Is this the beginning of the end either for Theresa May or for Brexit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847

 

[Dellboy]

Good man Bojo, now all we need is May to go and then we can get on with carrying out the wishes of the people of this fine and wonderful land and leave the EU before it destroys itself.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’m all confused so help me out

The vote was - Leave the Eu - Yes or No

There was “zero” specifics of what exactly that entailed - just a yes or no

So the plan they have come up with would result in us leaving the EU which is what the vote was ?

So when was the vote for all this “Hard, Soft , No deal” Brexit ?

All these dirty tricks from cabinet ministers who didn’t have the bottle to front the party to take us out of the EU are pathetic and are playing with people’s lives. As soon as the yes vote happened people like Johnson went hiding into his rat infested corner because he knew it wasn’t going to be easy but didn’t have the moral fibre to take any sort of lead - instead sniping away from behind people’s backs. Far too many people have been playing political games with our nations future

Right now I would rather the Queen ran the country and get rid of all these politicians that only look after themselves.

The vote was to leave the EU and that’s what the plan is - deal with it and move on

 

[IanM]

Boris now resigns!

So that's the end of the May Government methinks and it will be a Government that will take a firmer approach with Brexit.

mmm...got a very big project going through approval right now, don't need a Purdah thanks! (Actually, I might mean 3 months holiday! - no pay though!)

 

[IanM]

I’m all confused so help me out

The vote was - Leave the Eu - Yes or No

There was “zero” specifics of what exactly that entailed - just a yes or no

Actually Phil, it was clearly defined in Cameron's Pamphlet, and spelled out often by Remain in their Campaign (as a warning!)

When Leave won the Vote - Hard/Soft Brexit seems to have been invented as a fall back position to keep us tied to it. If Theresa's plan was your golf club it would be as follows:

1) You have resigned and left.
2) But you still pay subs and agree to be bound by Club Rules
3) You cannot join or play at certain other golf clubs


Feel free to disagree but that was my reading of the terms (bit of poetic licence by only a little!)

 

[Foxholer]

Boris now resigns!

So that's the end of the May Government methinks and it will be a Government that will take a firmer approach with Brexit.

Why do I suspect that his resignation was purely selfish opportunism!

Btw. Just seen a really good performance by Davis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44767321

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn tells MPs: "To be fair - and I want to be fair to the former Brexit secretary and the former foreign secretary - I think they would have resigned on the spot on Friday.
"But they were faced with a very long walk, no phone and dueto government cuts no bus service either.
"So I think they were probably wise to hang on for a coupleof days so they could get a lift home in a government car."

You may not like Corbyn but you have to smile at that gag. Applaud his script writer at least.

 

[Papas1982]

Since the vote was taking we've had countless months of remainers wanting us to stay, protesting its not right etc etc. This has generally from what i've seen been deemed as reasonable debate (sore losers imo), not that we finally have a plan in place people seem surprised that those wanting to leave have iced off at the terms.

It now seems that both sides of the argument aren't getting what they want so the stropping will simply intensify from both sides.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There is one thing that will create a place for Theresa May in the pantheon of brave and honest Prime Ministers.

She needs to schedule a broadcast to the nation - on which she explains that Brexit is a complete and utter mess and that it cannot proceed. She needs to explain clearly to the electorate why there is no deal that will see the UK other than very much worse off and with much diminished European and Global influence.

She must make it absolutely clear why a No Deal Brexit - which would see us crash out of the EU on 29th March 2019 without a transition to WTO and all that that entails - would be disastrous for the UK economy, jobs and businesses relying upon significant Imports/Exports.

She has to be honest to the UK electorate - and she has to make this statement with the support of her cabinet - with her cabinet by her side.

I suspect that May knows all of this - but at the moment she is trying to solve an unsolvable conundrum, an unsolvable riddle, without making the admission that Brexit is not achievable without significant and long Lasting damage to the UK, and that she and her cabinet will not be responsible for that happening.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Since the vote was taking we've had countless months of remainers wanting us to stay, protesting its not right etc etc. This has generally from what i've seen been deemed as reasonable debate (sore losers imo), not that we finally have a plan in place people seem surprised that those wanting to leave have iced off at the terms.

It now seems that both sides of the argument aren't getting what they want so the stropping will simply intensify from both sides.

Before we know it Leavers will be looking for a referendum on the deal.

And meanwhile Rees-Mogg has been telling us that the UK is heading towards a No Deal by accident rather than design. Oh how duplicitous you are. Rees-Mogg, the ERG and their ilk propose a form of Brexit - an adherence to May's Red Lines - that can only lead to a No Deal - BY DESIGN. R-M is laying the groundwork for a No Deal scenario where he can blame everyone but himself and fellow Brexiteers.

 

[drdel]

Before we know it Leavers will be looking for a referendum on the deal.

And meanwhile Rees-Mogg has been telling us that the UK is heading towards a No Deal by accident rather than design. Oh how duplicitous you are. Rees-Mogg, the ERG and their ilk propose a form of Brexit - an adherence to May's Red Lines - that can only lead to a No Deal - BY DESIGN. R-M is laying the groundwork for a No Deal scenario where he can blame everyone but himself and fellow Brexiteers.

The vote was to leave, there is no requirement for a Deal. Usually it can be useful but the EU are only interested in frightening the other 27 not the future of the countries and their populations. Logic has evaporated.

 

[Griffsters]

She needs to schedule a broadcast to the nation - on which she explains that Brexit is a complete and utter mess and that it cannot proceed. She needs to explain clearly to the electorate why there is no deal that will see the UK other than very much worse off and with much diminished European and Global influence.

She must make it absolutely clear why a No Deal Brexit - which would see us crash out of the EU on 29th March 2019 without a transition to WTO and all that that entails - would be disastrous for the UK economy, jobs and businesses relying upon significant Imports/Exports.

The problem is that realism has been rebranded as project fear, positions are so entrenched people are no longer listening - if they ever were quite frankly.

Tragic on so many levels.

 

[IanM]

Brexit isn't a mess. It hasn't happened, the PM's refusal to properly manage our exit is.

Everything you have ever posted on here ignores the fact they trade is reciprocal, and we are in deficit to the EU.

Go and see the Juncker Quote thread... it is quite clear what we are dealing with.

 

[Old Skier]

Before we know it Leavers will be looking for a referendum on the deal.

You wish. The last hope of the remainers, get the leavers to ask for another vote. How many times do you need to be told - It's not going to happen.

 

[SocketRocket]

Before we know it Leavers will be looking for a referendum on the deal.

And meanwhile Rees-Mogg has been telling us that the UK is heading towards a No Deal by accident rather than design. Oh how duplicitous you are. Rees-Mogg, the ERG and their ilk propose a form of Brexit - an adherence to May's Red Lines - that can only lead to a No Deal - BY DESIGN. R-M is laying the groundwork for a No Deal scenario where he can blame everyone but himself and fellow Brexiteers.

No Deal! I guess that means Brexit then. In our referendum we were asked if we wanted to leave the EU or not, we decided we wanted to leave, since that time words like 'Cliff Edge' 'Crashing out' have been created to scare people. No one asked us if we wanted a 'Deal' I guess it would be in the interests of the EU for us to agree a trade deal with them as they want us to accept most of the constraints that are shackled to the other EU countries, no one else they have agreed trade deals with need to agree things like freedom of anyone in the EU to come and live in their countries or the superiority of the ECJ over their own courts but seems like we would need to. I honestly believe a quick withdraw from the EU would be the best thing for us, we could then get on with designing our own direction. If the EU would like to continue access to our markets then they would need to start asking us nicely. All the talk from big business has been IMO gerrymongered by some of our own government, just like Cameron did with Obama. The Irish border is as much a project for the EU to solve as us, I believe if we were left to sort it then it would be no big problem.