Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[User62651]

Thread seems to have wandered way off topic too.

So May survives and is arguably stronger than a few days ago with some of her backstabbers out of cabinet.
Even with 48 letters of no-confidence to Tory HQ there isn't a desire for a leadership contest in rest of the Tory ranks so ranks would back May. Not sure anyone would beat her in a leadership battle anyway, the hard Brexiteers won't get the votes and Johnson's stock has fallen of late, too marmite anyway. Those that say a Brexiteer should be PM are blinkered, being PM includes Brexit but it's only a small part of what a PM needs to do in their role.

Could be May until the next GE which doesn't need to be called until 2022.

She may be rubbish in front of a camera but she's dogged and thick skinned. Wonder if she enjoys her job?:fore:

 

[Foxholer]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league


According to The Guardian we are.

:rofl: :rofl:

That's what I consider the '(Sir) Robert Muldoon approach to statistics'! As PM, or perhaps simply Minister of Finance, at the time, he tried to convince the NZ public that because 'the rate of increase in inflation was decreasing', it was a sign that he was getting the economy under control! How's that for L, DL and Stats! Btw. the figures were something like 18% for that month where previous months had been 16.5 and 14.5! That (late 70's to early '80s) was an 'interesting' time! I was even working for the Dept of Statistics for some of it!

@Bluewolf... Apologies if you mistook my 'correction' as a humourlous over-reaction. Stats, and their misuse, are (or at least were) a topic somewhat dear to my heart/education/career!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Thread seems to have wandered way off topic too.

So May survives and is arguably stronger than a few days ago with some of her backstabbers out of cabinet.
Even with 48 letters of no-confidence to Tory HQ there isn't a desire for a leadership contest in rest of the Tory ranks so ranks would back May. Not sure anyone would beat her in a leadership battle anyway, the hard Brexiteers won't get the votes and Johnson's stock has fallen of late, too marmite anyway. Those that say a Brexiteer should be PM are blinkered, being PM includes Brexit but it's only a small part of what a PM needs to do in their role.

Could be May until the next GE which doesn't need to be called until 2022.

She may be rubbish in front of a camera but she's dogged and thick skinned. Wonder if she enjoys her job?:fore:

I think she is hating it - but is doing it because she feels a duty to do something that nobody else had the cojones do do...including all the lead Leavers who disappeared like snow off a dyke. She is sticking with it because she knows the impact of a No Deal outcome, and so a Deal is essential, and recognises she must get some form of Deal she can sell to the electorate - to try and placate the rising fury of Leave voters who feel they are being 'betrayed' (in fact some suggest they were duped - but she can't say that - yet).

I thought she looked like the best of a bad bunch - thought there was some Christian Democrat in her, and so was willing to give her some time - and even felt some sympathy for her predicament. But as various scandals, weaknesses, pandering to anti-EU ideologues, and love of prevarication have continued - much of the sympathy I had has gone.

But she is still, most probably, the best of an - at best - not very good bunch.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I think she is hating it - but is doing it because she feels a duty to do something that nobody else had the cojones do do...including all the lead Leavers who disappeared like snow off a dyke. She is sticking with it because she knows the impact of a No Deal outcome, and so a Deal is essential, and recognises she must get some form of Deal she can sell to the electorate - to try and placate the rising fury of Leave voters who feel they are being 'betrayed' (in fact some suggest they were duped - but she can't say that - yet).

I thought she looked like the best of a bad bunch - thought there was some Christian Democrat in her, and so was willing to give her some time - and even felt some sympathy for her predicament. But as various scandals, weaknesses, pandering to anti-EU ideologues, and love of prevarication have continued - much of the sympathy I had has gone.

But she is still, most probably, the best of an - at best - not very good bunch.

Thats almost praise

Are you feeling alright?

 

[Griffsters]

OK - GDP growth..... a numerical rise or fall in GDP in Lithuania represents much larger percentage change than similar in Germany, France or the UK.

See where this is going?

The same place as quoting trade deficits as a percentage of respective economies i'd guess.

 

[3offTheTee]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league


According to The Guardian we are.

Whilst Doon’s figures may be correct they were taken from The Guardian over THIRTEEN months’ ago!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Whilst Doon’s figures may be correct they were taken from The Guardian over THIRTEEN months’ ago!

At a time when the European Central Bank was injecting billions of Euros into the economy in the form of quantitative easing and had been doing so for a considerable period of time.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Thats almost praise

Are you feeling alright?

It is - almost. Well in a way it actually is - if for nothing else for her resolve and standing up to the anti-EU ideologues and fanatics in her party.

 

[IanM]

At a time when the European Central Bank was injecting billions of Euros into the economy in the form of quantitative easing and had been doing so for a considerable period of time.

They had to that as they willfully allowed several countries into the Single Currency even though they were nowhere near meeting the fiscal limits required. But of course, that makes them exiting the EU even more difficult than us! Hence it was done.... the damage to those countries is considerable!

 

[Hobbit]

That's GDP growth, not GDP.

Would you rather increase your 300 yard drive by 10%, or your 200 yard drive by 20%?

Good luck. I explained it 2 years ago but someone conveniently forgot it.

 

[Mudball]

No Deal! I guess that means Brexit then. In our referendum we were asked if we wanted to leave the EU or not, we decided we wanted to leave, since that time words like 'Cliff Edge' 'Crashing out' have been created to scare people. No one asked us if we wanted a 'Deal' I guess it would be in the interests of the EU for us to agree a trade deal with them as they want us to accept most of the constraints that are shackled to the other EU countries, no one else they have agreed trade deals with need to agree things like freedom of anyone in the EU to come and live in their countries or the superiority of the ECJ over their own courts but seems like we would need to. I honestly believe a quick withdraw from the EU would be the best thing for us, we could then get on with designing our own direction. If the EU would like to continue access to our markets then they would need to start asking us nicely. All the talk from big business has been IMO gerrymongered by some of our own government, just like Cameron did with Obama. The Irish border is as much a project for the EU to solve as us, I believe if we were left to sort it then it would be no big problem.

We are asking for the Divorce, the EU is not. So EU is expecting us to provide a solution as we asked the question. We are saying that we should keep the house, the alimony but not the children or any other commitments. Oh btw, we will be seeing other people. and one more thing, we will need access to your house and garden when we want to party or go fishing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Whilst Doon’s figures may be correct they were taken from The Guardian over THIRTEEN months’ ago!

Do you want to post up the most recent yearly ones then ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Good luck. I explained it 2 years ago but someone conveniently forgot it.

So that would be this years 300 yard drive compared to last years 330 yard drive and the 200 yard drive compared to last years 180 yard drive.
Got it:lol:

 

[Hobbit]

Do you want to post up the most recent yearly ones then ?

So that would be this years 300 yard drive compared to last years 330 yard drive and the 200 yard drive compared to last years 180 yard drive.
Got it:lol:

I love the way you try to deflect when you’re shown to be clueless, as usual.

 

[User62651]

I love the way you try to deflect when you’re shown to be clueless, as usual.

You love it because it makes you feel superior? Or because you can belittle someone else?

 

[Hobbit]

You love it because it makes you feel superior? Or because you can belittle someone else?

Neither, but thanks for asking:thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

We are asking for the Divorce, the EU is not. So EU is expecting us to provide a solution as we asked the question. We are saying that we should keep the house, the alimony but not the children or any other commitments. Oh btw, we will be seeing other people. and one more thing, we will need access to your house and garden when we want to party or go fishing.

Did you bother to read my post before commenting on it?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Did you bother to read my post before commenting on it?

In the run-up to the referendum I do not recall many (or ANY) suggesting that a No Deal was a good thing - in fact the best thing - that just crashing out of the EU with No Deal and no transition would be a 'good thing' - yet that is something revisionists are now pretending to be the case.

We did not vote for a No Deal. You just cannot now choose to decide what was and was not on the ballot paper - and so you cannot tell us that since the requirement for a Deal was not on the voting paper then No Deal and No Transition is a perfectly valid deduction from the vote. It is not. And if you continue to argue that it is, then nowhere on the paper did it say No Single Market or No Customs Union. You can't have it both ways. Cake and Eat it revisionism in full swing.

 

[Hobbit]

In the run-up to the referendum I do not recall many (or ANY) suggesting that a No Deal was a good thing - in fact the best thing - that just crashing out of the EU with No Deal and no transition would be a 'good thing' - yet that is something revisionists are now pretending to be the case.

We did not vote for a No Deal. You just cannot now choose to decide what was and was not on the ballot paper - and so you cannot tell us that since the requirement for a Deal was not on the voting paper then No Deal and No Transition is a perfectly valid deduction from the vote. It is not. And if you continue to argue that it is, then nowhere on the paper did it say No Single Market or No Customs Union. You can't have it both ways. Cake and Eat it revisionism in full swing.

I think the vast majority expected to walk away and then strike the deals. It was a simple in/out, and that’s what Cameron et al sold it as. Everyone and their dog understood the vote, in or out. Not out with a lot of in. And it’s not for you to choose deal/no deal either based on what was or wasn’t on the ballot paper.

Revisionists pretending; do you see monsters under the bed too? Where on earth are you dredging this rubbish from?

As for using emotive language like “crashing out, or cliff edge.” Oh for God’s sake get real. The wheels won’t grind to a shuddering halt on Brexit day, and it’s not in the best interests for either side to allow that. You might believe Armageddon is hurtling towards us but the reality won’t be anything remotely close to that. Trading issues, yes but both sides will look to mitigate those. Armageddon, don’t be silly.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the vast majority expected to walk away and then strike the deals. It was a simple in/out, and that’s what Cameron et al sold it as. Everyone and their dog understood the vote, in or out. Not out with a lot of in. And it’s not for you to choose deal/no deal either based on what was or wasn’t on the ballot paper.

Revisionists pretending; do you see monsters under the bed too? Where on earth are you dredging this rubbish from?

As for using emotive language like “crashing out, or cliff edge.” Oh for God’s sake get real. The wheels won’t grind to a shuddering halt on Brexit day, and it’s not in the best interests for either side to allow that. You might believe Armageddon is hurtling towards us but the reality won’t be anything remotely close to that. Trading issues, yes but both sides will look to mitigate those. Armageddon, don’t be silly.

No they didn't - they absolutely didn't - they understood very different things abut what leaving the EU and what would be required to meet their expectations of life after leaving the EU.

'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' covers leaving and re-engaging. In that sense they are not separate processes. So we cannot leave the EU and then start working out how we might re-engage. Many might have thought that - but I suggest that they misunderstood or were misinformed.