Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Deleted member 18588]

Not like you to make that simple error HK ..…..The Lieb Dems are in fact the 4th party

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not a UK General Election in 2017 and, throughput the UK, did not the Lib Dems poll nearly 2.5 times as many votes as the party in 4th place I.e. SNP?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not a UK General Election in 2017 and, throughput the UK, did not the Lib Dems poll nearly 2.5 times as many votes as the party in 4th place I.e. SNP?

How many MP's do they have.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not like you to make that simple error HK ..…..The Lieb Dems are in fact the 4th party

Are they German?

 

[SocketRocket]

Whatever it might be the BD can only realistically be the monies that are left from the £234m per week (the figure after rebate is deducted but before deducting existing funding coming from the EU). Take off existing EU funding the figure gets closer to £165m (https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/).

And of course we know of real costs of exiting - and then there is the impact on the economy of being out of the EU that most accept will happen - at least for the 'short' term (however long that might be in economic terms).

So in fact pie in the sky wishful thinking from the PM of the sort that the Tories in the past have continually lambasted the Labour Party for indulging in.

We don't get any funding from the EU, as net contributors we just get some of our own money back.

 

[SocketRocket]

The ideal would be a combination of the two. As Hobbit points out a private business has to make a profit and factor that in. That makes them make decisions in certain circumstances which are not compatible with the needs of a public body. However the appalling waste which is apparent to anyone who uses the services of the NHS but seem unable to be noticed by those who have worked in it for a lifetime should not be allowed to carry on. Take the good practice from both and you would have the best of both worlds. Good luck with that though.

I should add, for the purposes of balance and fairness, that there are trusts who have moved forward and are not as wasteful. Some of the practices are good, many not so good, the acceptance that this is how it has always happened etc is hugely frustrating to an outsider.

In terms of railways, I remember how awful BR were. There was no railway panacea in this country that we have moved away from.

Many large private health care suppliers like 'Nuffield' are 'Not for Profit' companies.

 

[hors limite]

PMQs today. OK the tactic of her responding with a question is hardly new. However, today with Jezzer and others it was simply awful.Is there something in their arcane procedures that can demand an answer? The narcissist Bercow who can't bear to be parted from the job of Speaker won't provide a solution.

 

[User62651]

PMQs today. OK the tactic of her responding with a question is hardly new. However, today with Jezzer and others it was simply awful.Is there something in their arcane procedures that can demand an answer? The narcissist Bercow who can't bear to be parted from the job of Speaker won't provide a solution.

Dont watch it, just puts my back up. The whole business of guffawing and baying at eachother across the commons to point score just seems pathetic most of the time. Some 'traditions' should just die out, PMQs being one of them. Instead PM should have to sit on one of those select committee cross party question sessions say once per month (10 different MPs questioning each time) and have to answer questions without the screeching mob of the commons and without having seen the questions in advance........imo. Televise it...live at 8.30pm of an evening.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Dont watch it, just puts my back up. The whole business of guffawing and baying at eachother across the commons to point score just seems pathetic most of the time. Some 'traditions' should just die out, PMQs being one of them. Instead PM should have to sit on one of those select committee cross party question sessions say once per month (10 different MPs questioning each time) and have to answer questions without the screeching mob of the commons and without having seen the questions in advance........imo. Televise it...live at 8.30pm of an evening.

Good idea, replace the equally pathetic Question Time.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Poll in Scotland taken before the recent hullabaloo at Westminster shows trust in Scottish Government at 61% and trust in a Westminster Government at 20%, can't imagine what it is now.

Can anyone ever imagine May's Westminster Government with a 61% trust vote.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Good idea, replace the equally pathetic Question Time.

With Dimbleby retiring from presenting it QT should be put out to pasture.

 

[MegaSteve]

Good idea, replace the equally pathetic Question Time.

Wholeheartedly agree...

The whole program has gone downhill [rapidly] when it was deemed necessary to have SNP representation at every opportunity... I mean. an SNP person, on the panel, when the program visits the south coast... Great way of antagonising the audience fully achieved by the SNP person...

Yep, when Dimbleby retires, kick the program into touch...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wholeheartedly agree...

The whole program has gone downhill [rapidly] when it was deemed necessary to have SNP representation at every opportunity... I mean. an SNP person, on the panel, when the program visits the south coast... Great way of antagonising the audience fully achieved by the SNP person...

Yep, when Dimbleby retires, kick the program into touch...

I know, just imagine how Scotland feels when the regular Tory/UKIP/Daily Mail [ journos] appear as three panelists on every week.

BTW the TV programme is supposed to go out to the entire British nation....not just the 'South Coast'. [Wales, England or Scotland?)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so comment in the Sunday papers suggesting that maybe - just maybe - Theresa may has a cunning plan.

Drag things out so long to the point that the timescales for putting a deal in front of the EU ahead of March 29th - with enough time to discuss and agree it - get so compressed that we realise we are very seriously running out of time - and the urgency of getting an agreed position to put to the EU forces the Brexit Fanatics in the cabinet and Westminster (Bone, Cash, Jenkin, Fox, Johnson, Davis, Patel et al) into the open with their (IMO insane) demands. And we see their stance for what it is - self-serving and totally ideological with nary a care for the outcome. They want Brexit over the line no matter what the cost and the impact to their party and on us all - well not on all because these fanatics won't be affected as they are 'all right jack'.

To achieve that they threaten the Prime Minister with all sorts of hellfire and damnation if she comes up with a deal that doesn't fit the demands of their relatively small numbers - they will try and bring her down - no matter the constitutional crisis that that would through up as the Tory Party would be leaderless and whither the PM - and whither the Brexit negotiations.

And all of the above makes it more possible for her to get a proposal to put to the EU agreed on Thursday - and for the Leave voters out in the country to accept the deal as being better than nothing.

I get the sense that May is just going for broke as she appreciates the mess and chaos of the current situation and the damage that No Deal will do to the country. And maybe she hopes that she can sell the proposal to the country - having exposed the fanatics for what they are.

So maybe - just maybe - Theresa May has a cunning plan.

(which would be more - it has to be said - than one Mr Jeremy Corbyn)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And so comment in the Sunday papers suggesting that maybe - just maybe - Theresa may has a cunning plan.

Drag things out so long to the point that the timescales for putting a deal in front of the EU ahead of March 29th - with enough time to discuss and agree it - get so compressed that we realise we are very seriously running out of time - and the urgency of getting an agreed position to put to the EU forces the Brexit Fanatics in the cabinet and Westminster (Bone, Cash, Jenkin, Fox, Johnson, Davis, Patel et al) into the open with their (IMO insane) demands. And we see their stance for what it is - self-serving and totally ideological with nary a care for the outcome. They want Brexit over the line no matter what the cost and the impact to their party and on us all - well not on all because these fanatics won't be affected as they are 'all right jack'.

To achieve that they threaten the Prime Minister with all sorts of hellfire and damnation if she comes up with a deal that doesn't fit the demands of their relatively small numbers - they will try and bring her down - no matter the constitutional crisis that that would through up as the Tory Party would be leaderless and whither the PM - and whither the Brexit negotiations.

And all of the above makes it more possible for her to get a proposal to put to the EU agreed on Thursday - and for the Leave voters out in the country to accept the deal as being better than nothing.

I get the sense that May is just going for broke as she appreciates the mess and chaos of the current situation and the damage that No Deal will do to the country. And maybe she hopes that she can sell the proposal to the country - having exposed the fanatics for what they are.

So maybe - just maybe - Theresa May has a cunning plan.

(which would be more - it has to be said - than one Mr Jeremy Corbyn)

I would laugh my socks off if May stood up to them and sacked the mangy pack of wolves.
The bonus being that she might just get the country behind her.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I would laugh my socks off if May stood up to them and sacked the mangy pack of wolves.
The bonus being that she might just get the country behind her.

Would love it - just love it.

And maybe May is aiming to do just that - get them and their views fully exposed and up there like coconuts in the coconut shy - so that she can justifiably knock them off their self-serving pedestals.

 

[Dellboy]

If the, you know what hits the fan, May will be the first to go, she has not got the numbers to back her up.

Get a new leader and then follow out the wishes of the majority of the country and leave on our terms, we owe the EU stuff all.

Once we have gone, give the Scottish people a vote on independence, which going by the last poll, they will lose and then hopefully we never have to see that “Fish lady” on our screens again, everyone’s a winner :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If the, you know what hits the fan, May will be the first to go, she has not got the numbers to back her up.

Get a new leader and then follow out the wishes of the majority of the country and leave on our terms, we owe the EU stuff all.

Once we have gone, give the Scottish people a vote on independence, which going by the last poll, they will lose and then hopefully we never have to see that “Fish lady” on our screens again, everyone’s a winner :thup:

'Fish Lady'?

 

[ColchesterFC]

'Fish Lady'?

Nicola Sturgeon - at least that's who I assume they mean.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so it seems that May's cunning plan is beginning to work...

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-shut-up_uk_5b39f023e4b08c3a8f6bea58

How could I ever doubt her.

Mind you - given how tired, wan and (frankly) rather haggard she is looking, maybe she has decided to flatten the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg, get some form of soft-Brexit deal - and then get out, and who would blame her.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Nicola Sturgeon - at least that's who I assume they mean.

And I always thought Sturgeon was a source of a very lovely and valuable foodstuff?