Old Skier
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Yep at the nuclear sub base which Doom wants to get rid of.
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Doon frae Troon
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Mildly amusing to see some misguided folk still believe that GERS, a Tory party financial ploy to make Scotland look poor bears any resemblance to anything.
Still no sign of those GERE figures boys.
Still no sign of those GERE figures boys.
KenL
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Mildly amusing to see some misguided folk still believe that GERS, a Tory party financial ploy to make Scotland look poor bears any resemblance to anything.
Still no sign of those GERE figures boys.
Well, I believed they were Scotgov figures.
Have you any reliable sources that show the "real" picture?
Doon frae Troon
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Gers actually compares Income within Scotland to expenditure for Scotland.
That is like comparing haddock to Mars bars.
It is a method of shovelling a portion of England's massive debts onto Scotland.
If you are being serious about this and want to broaden your knowledge, listen to Richard Murphy on the Wee Ginger Dug podcast, 42 minute of your time but you will have a much better understanding of GERS at the end of it.
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/dugcast-fae-the-dughoose-with-prof-richard-murphy/
Gers for Dummies the short.
https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14
That is like comparing haddock to Mars bars.
It is a method of shovelling a portion of England's massive debts onto Scotland.
If you are being serious about this and want to broaden your knowledge, listen to Richard Murphy on the Wee Ginger Dug podcast, 42 minute of your time but you will have a much better understanding of GERS at the end of it.
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/dugcast-fae-the-dughoose-with-prof-richard-murphy/
Gers for Dummies the short.
https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14
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Old Skier
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Perhaps a link to the official Scottish Gov web site might have more impact.
ColchesterFC
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I'd never heard of Richard Murphy until a couple of days ago when Andrew Neil retweeted this picture. I guess you can add DfT to the right hand side.
Doon frae Troon
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It is data that states how Scotland sits within the UK, following the rules that whoever is in control of the UK from Westminster wishes to imposes.
You need to look outside the bubble.
166 estimates within the GERS figures, that is 166 made up numbers, who do you think makes up those numbers.
ColchesterFC
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It's a bit rich for you to suggest someone else needs to look outside the bubble. Something about pots and kettles springs to mind.
Those 166 estimates were made with the approval of the Scottish government. And I also believe that it wasn't 166 estimates but that the word estimate was used in the document 166 times which isn't the same thing.
PNWokingham
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you are living in cloud cuckoo fantasy land. Look at the post 1439 - £15.1bn more spent on public services in Scxotland than Scott
land takes in taxes. That will be your hole to fill that does not occur by being in the UK - £1941 per person Union dividend. That helps towards your free prescriptions, free university and your exemplorary school system! From this figure you can take off X amount of tax as the jobs at Nuclear bases and other Government positions are repatriated. Then you can take off X for increased costs off servicing debt - if that is you can actually finance it (a big question mark with no plans that i have seen). Then another X for increased costs associated with setting up departments needed for an independant country (Treasury and other government departments that you will have to create or enlarge). Then there will be a further X from trade costs as a newly independant nation with no trade agreements. Etc etc.
But then reality and plans are pie in the sky for the SNIP - after all you will be free to do your own policies, much better and more efficiently than being part og the UK!
And please explain England's massive debts? The UK has debt - we borrow, in part to pay the Scottish Union dividend and service the rest of the budget defecit, including the much larger defecit up North! When you leave you will have to take pro-rata of UK debt. This stood at £1,878bn as at March - and we funded a £60bn budget defecit last year (less than 3% of GDP - Scottish budget defecit is still 8.6% of GDP). Given the massive increase in borrowing we are likely at or about £2,000 debt now. Scotland is roughly 8.2% of the UK poulation. So you will need to take roughly £165bn worth of your new Braveheart currency. How that works in reality is also something that I have not seen anything on - although i suspect the only solution will be akin to an 8.2% promisary note on all existing UK Gilts.
Maybe if the Scottish people actually knew the reality of leaving and the absence of any plans or logic around these issues it may tip the balance back in favour of staying. But that is your call - i just hope that Wee Jimmy has the honesty to highlight all the key issues and share her plans around them so the Scottish public can judge for themselves
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Leftie
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You're only wasting your time posting sense Paul. We all know that Dft doesn't really believe most of the crap he posts - most of the time he's only fishing.
After all, no-one could really be that myopic, could they
After all, no-one could really be that myopic, could they
chrisd
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You're only wasting your time posting sense Paul. We all know that Dft doesn't really believe most of the crap he posts - most of the time he's only fishing.
After all, no-one could really be that myopic, could they
Yep, he's 100% on a wind up and we are stupid enough to respond to the crap - there again the same applies to others in the Brexit and Coronavirus threads too.
Doon frae Troon
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GERS in a nutshell
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/who...miles and,while I can see for miles and miles
Specially for Leftie
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/who...miles and,while I can see for miles and miles
Specially for Leftie
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KenL
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I would rather believe official figures and people in the know like Fraser of Allender Institute, Institute for Fiscal Studies, Kevin Hague, A Neill rather than some biased indy take on things.
Leftie
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Don't waste your time mate. I only once followed one of your links and decided I've better things to do with my life.
Is it a wind up or ignorant Trolling? Only asking for a friend....
Doon frae Troon
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Kevin Hague.
Oh deary mee.....good advice from a dog food salesman.
I know for sure that now you really are on a wind up
Another big boost for YES as Boris announces yet another trip to Scotland.
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chrisd
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Trolling Brian, but hardly ignorant, he knows exactly what he's doing. Replied to by a friend ?
Doon frae Troon
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Wow.. if things were not bad enough for SLAB.
The few remaining MSP are now calling for the head of leader Richard Whatsisname.
Another one bites the dust.
The few remaining MSP are now calling for the head of leader Richard Whatsisname.
Another one bites the dust.
KenL
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Labour are irrelevant in Scotland at the moment. They need to do something.
ger147
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As you say, irrelevant and he's useless. If they do ditch him, it would do well to make the "and finally" section on the local news.
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