The SNIP

[Wolf]

Tory propaganda - hardly worth using instead of toilet paper.

What will be will be - independence will come, maybe 2 years, maybe 22 years mark my words it will come.

I don't buy news papers as they're all only good fir one thing, each brand has its Bias but this article is interesting. You can go class it as Tory propaganda if you wish butntheres no denying factually it happened which regardless of spin its not a good look for Sturgeon.

As for independence I have always said if Scotland truly want it let them have it, but theres a lot you'll lose and suffer for if it comes. There's a lot of rebuilding of services that would have to be done at a huge cost, if Scotland are willing to accept that and go for it fair enough.

 

[Jacko_G]

There will be nothing barring Scotland from applying to become part of the EU should they gain independence. That said I'm not convinced that there will be an EU by the time Scotland gain independence. Can't see Germany wanting to continue to pump money into Europe while they are in a recession, can't see France doing likewise either, Italy are almost broke.

 

[KenL]

Yes, EU could well collapse or at least change significantly.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Ah the old “you don’t understand the situation” cop out.
What about @KenL? Does he not understand the situation either?

#UnionJock?

Clearly not as he thinks that only SNP supporters wish Independence for Scotland.
Wrong on two counts there.

 

[KenL]

Clearly not as he thinks that only SNP supporters wish Independence for Scotland.
Wrong on two counts there.

There cant be very many, I've certainly never met one.

For me the only reason you'd be stupid enough to vote SNP at the moment is because you want independence - that's their main stance. You would never vote for them based on how well they are running things in Scotland.
Have you heard that the latest deficit is now so bad that Scotland wouldn't pass EU entry requirements despite charging all who live here extra for income tax.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Johnson bans the Saltire from being flown at the World climate change conference in GLASGOW SCOTLAND.
He is really going for it eh. It's going to be messy.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There cant be very many, I've certainly never met one.

For me the only reason you'd be stupid enough to vote SNP at the moment is because you want independence - that's their main stance. You would never vote for them based on how well they are running things in Scotland.
Have you heard that the latest deficit is now so bad that Scotland wouldn't pass EU entry requirements despite charging all who live here extra for income tax.

There is two in my close neighbourhood for starters.
Scotland has the lowest income tax rate in the UK.

 

[Fade and Die]

Johnson bans the Saltire from being flown at the World climate change conference in GLASGOW SCOTLAND.
He is really going for it eh. It's going to be messy.

Wrong (as usual) he said he doesn’t mind seeing a few but he wants to see the Union flag more prominent, as it’s a Westminster funded event.
He also said doesn’t want Sturgeon anywhere near it. Fair play Boris, fair play.?

 

[Wolf]

Wrong (as usual) he said he doesn’t mind seeing a few but he wants to see the Union flag more prominent, as it’s a Westminster funded event.
He also said doesn’t want Sturgeon anywhere near it. Fair play Boris, fair play.?

Come on F&D you know DFT doesn't let something like facts get in the way of his SNP/Independence bias

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wrong (as usual) he said he doesn’t mind seeing a few but he wants to see the Union flag more prominent, as it’s a Westminster funded event.
He also said doesn’t want Sturgeon anywhere near it. Fair play Boris, fair play.?

That might prove a bit difficult if the hosts [the UN] invite Nicola, as they have to the last three summits.
Johnson is so gormless that by making his daft statement he will ensure that every shop/building/person in shouting distance of the Hydro will be flying a Saltire.

 

[Fade and Die]

That might prove a bit difficult if the hosts [the UN] invite Nicola, as they have to the last three summits.
Johnson is so gormless that by making his daft statement he will ensure that every shop/building/person in shouting distance of the Hydro will be flying a Saltire.

Have another go Doon... The U.K. government are the Hosts.

 

[Hobbit]

Have another go Doon... The U.K. government are the Hosts.

How very dare the UK govt share prestigious events around the UK, letting Scotland have prominence. Everyone knows the UK govt wants the provinces to be downtrodden backwaters.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Scotland has the lowest income tax rate in the UK.

No it doesn't. The UK has a zero starting rate of income tax so it's not possible for Scotland to have a lower rate than that. Unless they've got a negative rate and are giving people money to go to work. Maybe that's why the deficit is so big.

 

[KenL]

No it doesn't. The UK has a zero starting rate of income tax so it's not possible for Scotland to have a lower rate than that. Unless they've got a negative rate and are giving people money to go to work. Maybe that's why the deficit is so big.

Work for a living and you only need to earn £26k in Scotland to pay more tax.

In addition, council tax bands were adjusted so people in a modest house like mine got hit with about 20% rise last year. Scotgov has sanctioned councils to make another increase of close to 5% this year.

 

[lobthewedge]

Scotland has the lowest income tax rate in the UK.

sorry doon but we really dont, I know from personal experience

be careful with what you say, telling lies makes the baby Jesus cry

 

[Slab]

Their position is the same as remoaners - dont get the result they want so have to keep going until they do. It was a once in a generation vote, they voted to stay, no caveat about, if other circumstances change then we can keep bleating for another go. They should wait until we see the longer term effects of Brexit and then they would have more of a case.

How would that strategy assist the Scottish government when negotiating brexit deals with Westminster on behalf of the people in Scotland ?

Surely you'd want your Government to conduct its negotiations from their strongest position (whether you voted for them or not) Surely there's no way you'd encourage your government to adopt a simple 'wait and see' policy while trade, commerce and social deals worth billions are decided in their hundreds

Surely continuing with a known commitment to ongoing calls for independence provides a better/stronger post-brexit negotiating position for the Scottish government (especially given the historical imbalance towards Scotland in such decision making)

Being just another territorial voice among the voices from the Midlands, North East, West Country etc etc all shouting at westminster for a bigger piece of the pie hasn't given Scotland any real benefit in its negotiating strength because Westminster has provided investment wherever in the country the particular government of the day wants to buy votes for their next election,
That strategy doesn't assist Scotland's bargaining position one iota right now because the main westminster parties know there is no hope of buying votes in Scotland for a generation, so why should Westminster accommodate anything Scotland asks for when deciding the hundreds of post-brexit trade deals.... unless... Scotland holds onto the only card it has to play when dealing with Westminster... deal with us fairly post-brexit or we will continue to pursue Independence and leave this union

why would anyone believe the SNP are doing anything wrong for the people of Scotland by showing that this is the strongest (and only) hand it has to play?

 

[KenL]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...42/snp-derek-mackay-schoolboy-texts-holyrood/

Poor SNP, whilst trying to distance themselves from the Salmond scandal something else comes up to bite them on the bum.
Great role models eh?

 

[Imurg]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...42/snp-derek-mackay-schoolboy-texts-holyrood/

Poor SNP, whilst trying to distance themselves from the Salmond scandal something else comes up to bite them on the bum.
Great role models eh?

Just resigned

 

[KenL]

Just resigned

Pity. I had hoped he would hang around and help drag them down.

Despicable abuse of power, let's see how NS deals with this!

 

[patricks148]

Just resigned

if i was cynical i would be wondering why a young boy contacted him out of the blue then carried on phone texts with him... then that the Sun had all the texts and brought it up right before he was due to release the Scottish Budget.

not making excuses, he deserves to lose his job for this and maybe more.... just saying.. the Sun...