The SNIP

[Doon frae Troon]

I am getting totally sick of reading your rubbish.

You and the SNP do not speak for the majority ( yes, the majority) of Scots.

What is this dysfunctional UK you speak of? Scotland is not a prisoner in the UK, more like a lucky relative benefitting from family wealth.

Once NS is up in court and having to speak the truth about AS she will be history.

Sorry to burst your wee bubble but latest polls say there is a majority of Scots in support of Independence.
FYI it is not just the SNP who are in favour of Independence
Support for Independence has been 47-51% lately. [60+% think it should be up to the Scots Parliament to decide on whether Indyref2 takes place]

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry to burst your wee bubble but latest polls say there is a majority of Scots in support of Independence.
FYI it is not just the SNP who are in favour of Independence
Support for Independence has been 47-51% lately. [60+% think it should be up to the Scots Parliament to decide on whether Indyref2 takes place]

https://whatscotlandthinks.org/ques...ependence-referendum-if-held-now-ask/?removed

 

[KenL]

What are you suggesting she knows?
Word it carefully.

With so many charges over a lengthy period of time would it not be surprising if others in the party had not whisperings of the alleged goings on?

 

[KenL]

Sorry to burst your wee bubble but latest polls say there is a majority of Scots in support of Independence.
FYI it is not just the SNP who are in favour of Independence
Support for Independence has been 47-51% lately. [60+% think it should be up to the Scots Parliament to decide on whether Indyref2 takes place]

A couple of polls taken at an emotionally charged time is not a real prediction for a real vote.

 

[Slab]

With so many charges over a lengthy period of time would it not be surprising if others in the party had not whisperings of the alleged goings on?

Isn't that quite thin to base a claim that 'she'll be history'

 

[KenL]

Isn't that quite thin to base a claim that 'she'll be history'

Yes, OK. Just wishful thinking on my part!

 

[Slab]

A couple of polls taken at an emotionally charged time is not a real prediction for a real vote.

While I wouldn't claim to support much of what DfT posts, even if the independence support was as low as 45, 40 or even just 33% of the voters, isn't that level of following still worthy of independence having a consistent voice?

 

[KenL]

While I wouldn't claim to support much of what DfT posts, even if the independence support was as low as 45, 40 or even just 33% of the voters, isn't that level of following still worthy of independence having a consistent voice?

What do you mean by consistent voice?
From my perspective they do have a voice, one that never shuts up about independence. Just look at Blackford everytime he speaks in parliament.
SNp need to at least pay a little bit of attention to the mess they are making of healthcare, policing, education, spending of public money etc.

 

[Slab]

What do you mean by consistent voice?
From my perspective they do have a voice, one that never shuts up about independence. Just look at Blackford everytime he speaks in parliament.
SNp need to at least pay a little bit of attention to the mess they are making of healthcare, policing, education, spending of public money etc.

I'm out of touch on this, is it really gone backwards so much from the labour years?

 

[harpo_72]

It seems a pointless conversation, the English voted in a majority who won’t listen nor do they have to because of their majority.
To stand a chance the strategy needs to change and to gain a majority at the next election and not be just concentrating on one area .. so it means the SNP need to contest seats outside of Scotland. At present they are just causing issues for the union and giving the separatists false hope with out doing a proper job .. remember in a democracy no one gives a monkeys about a minority

 

[User62651]

I'm out of touch on this, is it really gone backwards so much from the labour years?

Labour were in govt here during the Blair years, so both Westminster and Holyrood under Labour so total control - of course it was spun as all 'hunky dory'. Now its Tory WM v SNP Holyrood, like Stalin v Hitler compared to the Labour years.

Going backwards is certainly spun by Tories and others as a means to try and chop down SNP, it's just typical of the polarised view in politics on every single issue - there is rarely any consensus at all, just claim and counter claim, no sensible middle ground. You just don't know who to believe.
Teaching or lack of teachers is a UK nationwide problem, council funding for schools is a nationwide problem. Exam results have fallen a little in Scotland but to be honest how can they keep increasing every single year? - impossible or you end up with everyone at 100%. Apparently NHS in Scotland is doing better than any other part of UK in terms of treatment times but it's all relative with NHS.
I went to state school in the 1980s and my whole secondary education was blighted by teachers strikes from EIS/SSTA that went on for years - they even associated the demise of the national football team with that time as sports and clubs all suffered. i have a kid in state secondary now and looking at all that is available to him and speaking to his teachers etc it looks way way better than my time.

 

[KenL]

I'm out of touch on this, is it really gone backwards so much from the labour years?

It certainly has.

 

[User62651]

With so many charges over a lengthy period of time would it not be surprising if others in the party had not whisperings of the alleged goings on?

Boo, thought you had something concrete there.

 

[chrisd]

Johnson and Scots Tories are taking every opportunity to talk Scotland down, can anyone quote a positive thing/action he has said about Scotland within the UK.

Yes, that you ain't gonna get another referendum ??

 

[patricks148]

Labour were in govt here during the Blair years, so both Westminster and Holyrood under Labour so total control - of course it was spun as all 'hunky dory'. Now its Tory WM v SNP Holyrood, like Stalin v Hitler compared to the Labour years.

Going backwards is certainly spun by Tories and others as a means to try and chop down SNP, it's just typical of the polarised view in politics on every single issue - there is rarely any consensus at all, just claim and counter claim, no sensible middle ground. You just don't know who to believe.
Teaching or lack of teachers is a UK nationwide problem, council funding for schools is a nationwide problem. Exam results have fallen a little in Scotland but to be honest how can they keep increasing every single year? - impossible or you end up with everyone at 100%. Apparently NHS in Scotland is doing better than any other part of UK in terms of treatment times but it's all relative with NHS.
I went to state school in the 1980s and my whole secondary education was blighted by teachers strikes from EIS/SSTA that went on for years - they even associated the demise of the national football team with that time as sports and clubs all suffered. i have a kid in state secondary now and looking at all that is available to him and speaking to his teachers etc it looks way way better than my time.

i agree, there is also the matter of infrastructure projects they have been spending on, A9 Dual, Aberdeen bypass, Queensferry crossing. Infra funding was neglected or non existant before devolv and EU funding. lets not forget WM would not even fund a bridge for Sky back in the 90

 

[Kellfire]

The same people who say Scotland is riddled with debt and should want to remain part of the UK tend to be the sort of people who wanted out of the EU to avoid being saddled with the debts of others and to avoid communal sharing of problems.

Can’t have it both ways.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

i agree, there is also the matter of infrastructure projects they have been spending on, A9 Dual, Aberdeen bypass, Queensferry crossing. Infra funding was neglected or non existant before devolv and EU funding. lets not forget WM would not even fund a bridge for Sky back in the 90

Not forgetting Labour's Jack McConnell used to send back £millions of unspent Scots money to Westminster to pave the way for his HoL seat.

 

[Fade and Die]

Sorry to burst your wee bubble but latest polls say there is a majority of Scots in support of Independence.
FYI it is not just the SNP who are in favour of Independence
Support for Independence has been 47-51% lately. [60+% think it should be up to the Scots Parliament to decide on whether Indyref2 takes place]

Not according to the article drdel posted from your beloved wings....Support has flatlined even in the face of Brexit and the large conservative majority, 83% of donations received in 2019 were bequeathed in wills (the living don’t want to waste their money) and the reality is the last thing the SNP want is independence.
I found the article fascinating, it blows your argument out of the water every single time.
No doubt in your mind this applies...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not according to the article drdel posted from your beloved wings....Support has flatlined even in the face of Brexit and the large conservative majority, 83% of donations received in 2019 were bequeathed in wills (the living don’t want to waste their money) and the reality is the last thing the SNP want is independence.
I found the article fascinating, it blows your argument out of the water every single time.
No doubt in your mind this applies...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I think you are getting confused between the SNP and The Independence movement/Yes/AUOB campaigns....they are all separate things.
As I have said many times on here not all SNP supporters want independence and there are many people who dislike the SNP but do want independence.
As an example.....One of my neighbours is an Tory supporter who wants Independence, she is English. Her Scots husband is a Union Jack waving Tory voter who is no friend of the SNP and the idea of Independence.
It is complicated and generalisations that you [and others] use show a lack of understanding.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, that you ain't gonna get another referendum ??

Should they not have another referendum though ? Since the last one circumstances have changed dramatically for the UK and it’s going in another direction - so it’s prob right to ask Scotland if they want to carry on being part of the Union or they want to break out on their own

Surely as a very ardent supporter of Independance from the EU for the UK you would ( and indeed anyone who voted to leave ) be very much supportive of the desire for a referendum for Scotland and indeed Wales and NI if they so wish and they if they voted to leave the UK be right behind them all the way