azazel
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Another great advert for staying in the union then...
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Doon frae Troon
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Still waiting...……....I saw somewhere that of the 4 home nations Scotland were the highest ranked.Do you know where England and Wales are on the table.
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Can anyone confirm this
https://macalbasite.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/wellbeing-index-the-truth-they-wont-tell-you/.
OOPs………….By country...……..Scotland is highest ranked, thanks for the shout out Mr Neil.
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Imurg
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Still waiting...……....I saw somewhere that of the 4 home nations Scotland were the highest ranked.
Can anyone confirm this
https://macalbasite.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/wellbeing-index-the-truth-they-wont-tell-you/.
OOPs………….By country...……..Scotland is highest ranked, thanks for the shout out Mr Neil.
Point missed.
Who mentioned any of the other home nations?
Theres no brag that England is better or Wales is worse or whatever.
Just a simple, correct statement regarding Scotlands place on the list.
Aren't you concerned that Scotland has fallen down the list?
Or dont you care, just as long as you're above England?
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Doon frae Troon
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Another anti Scotland piece by Andrew Neil...……..he does have a lot of history you know.
Why did he not mention the other UK regions/countries.
I am concerned about the poor performance of the UK as a whole, aren't you? .......we do not seem to be doing well in the 'quality of life' standards compared to other nations.
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Imurg
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Because it was about Scotland's fall.
Not the UK
Not England
You're the one who bought up where the rest are in the list.
If you're so concerned about how the UK is doing then maybe you shouldn't be smirking about others performance.
Not the UK
Not England
You're the one who bought up where the rest are in the list.
If you're so concerned about how the UK is doing then maybe you shouldn't be smirking about others performance.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I see that whilst average levels of alcohol consumption (and alcohol related disease) is still higher in Scotland than the rest of the UK - the Scottish Governments minimum unit pricing policy does seem to be having some significant effect in reducing overall levels of consumption. Sales of strong cider sales especially well down due to significant unit price increase - though tellingly sales of fortified wine where there was no increase in cost due to unit minimum pricing, go up.
So not all bad from the Scottish Government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
So not all bad from the Scottish Government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
Doon frae Troon
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So why did Neil pick out Scotland for criticism and not highlight the poorer performing UK nations/regions. I take it he had the full information/facts.
That makes no sense other than his obvious well trodden path.
Imurg
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He didn't
He's reporting on figures published recently
He's quoting the people who delivered the figures.
Are there figures that refer to the rest of the UK? Does he have them? Ask him...
I dont know and there's plenty of things I'd rather do than search them out - feel free if you want.
Why do you try and deflect every criticism of Scotland, justified or not..?
Why not accept that there are shortcomings in the Scottish government and focus a bit on that rather than going down the " we're better than you are" route..?
He's reporting on figures published recently
He's quoting the people who delivered the figures.
Are there figures that refer to the rest of the UK? Does he have them? Ask him...
I dont know and there's plenty of things I'd rather do than search them out - feel free if you want.
Why do you try and deflect every criticism of Scotland, justified or not..?
Why not accept that there are shortcomings in the Scottish government and focus a bit on that rather than going down the " we're better than you are" route..?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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What you say is true but there is often little said to put the performance of the Scottish Government on any aspect of service provision in context of equivalent performance rUK - it's often reported in isolation - though of course comparisons with previous performance is relevant.
Further whilst it is true that in some areas the performance of such as NHS Scotland in some aspects of service provision and healthcare might be poorer than rUK - it is important to understand the context of Scottish culture. In that way many stats for performance of NHS Scotland have to be looked at in the context of historical and to a large extent ongoing cultures of terrible Scottish diet and alcohol (moving to drug) intake in a large percentage of the Scottish population.
(I can hardly believe - but I know as true - that as a child when we got salad on our plate we'd sprinkle sugar on the lettuce!)
spongebob59
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Doon frae Troon
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Excellent news.....silly decision by the Presiding officer to order it's removal. Following Westminster protocol indeed.
Not sure if you guys should be shooting yourselves in the foot by starting comments about Flegs.
You should be focussing on bongs and 50ps.
drdel
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I thought it was a well written and thought provoking piece. Here's a thought; has the SNP (subtly, subconsciously) sacrificed its fundamental reason for existence on the desire to chase dominance in Holyrood? I just got a picture of Corbyn's ideallogical chase for something at the expense of where Labour, fundimentaly, should be.
I've not thought it through, just throwing it out there... thoughts??
Doon frae Troon
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There has always been a more militant hard core group of Independence supporters who think the SNP are taking the soft options.
I do not agree with them and think Nicola is taking the correct road. The Tory party cannot forever hold Scotland prisoner within a dysfunctional UK.
Johnson and Scots Tories are taking every opportunity to talk Scotland down, can anyone quote a positive thing/action he has said about Scotland within the UK.
The whole Scots Tory agenda at the last election was to stop Indyref2. This cost them half of there seats, yet they still carry on spouting the same guff.
It is inevitable that Scotland will become an Independent country. At the moment it is only the elderly and right wing Unionists that are holding them back.
I see the Unison trade union is now supporting Scotland's right hold Indyref2. Quite a shift from the former bastion of Labour support, they have obviously came to the conclusion that you cannot ignore the wishes of over 60% of their membership and hope to survive.
I do not agree with them and think Nicola is taking the correct road. The Tory party cannot forever hold Scotland prisoner within a dysfunctional UK.
Johnson and Scots Tories are taking every opportunity to talk Scotland down, can anyone quote a positive thing/action he has said about Scotland within the UK.
The whole Scots Tory agenda at the last election was to stop Indyref2. This cost them half of there seats, yet they still carry on spouting the same guff.
It is inevitable that Scotland will become an Independent country. At the moment it is only the elderly and right wing Unionists that are holding them back.
I see the Unison trade union is now supporting Scotland's right hold Indyref2. Quite a shift from the former bastion of Labour support, they have obviously came to the conclusion that you cannot ignore the wishes of over 60% of their membership and hope to survive.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I watched Sturgeon’s recent interview which has her asking the hard core to have patience...that the time must be right and that any referendum has to be legal. Now you can easily say that that chimes with the Rev’s criticism of the SNP and Sturgeon - or that it smacks of realism and pragmatism...
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Not sure about inevitability or reason for lost seats, the Davidson effect was very strong in 2017 and pretty much absent in 2019 which imo is a big reason they lost seats. Also May or Cameron were nothing like as toxic to Scots as Johnson is, another factor. ScotTories are faceless under Carlaw. Like her or not Davidson was/is a big factor in Scottish voting. They had 1 MP In 2015 so they're still well up on that with 6 or 7 (cant remember exact no.) now. Scottish voting has gone from 4 clear party options 10 years ago to 2 now - SNP or Tory. Lab and LibDem are all but irrelevant, Swinson couldn't even keep her seat, it's a battle of Union v Independence more than ever and Tory's seem to draw the Unionist vote better than LAb/LD.
Looking at the threads on Sturgeons recent tweets, many think she's enjoying the FM role and the level of power/influence she has too much, some saying they wont vote SNP and giving up membership, impatience setting in after endless mandates for indyref2 come and go. Could just be attention-seeking knee-jerk online nonsense like we see on here of course. Not sure but I think Independence looks no more likely now than 4 years ago. Scots are known for being canny and the flag-waving chest-beating populism is fine but it's the silent majority who aren't on the marches you have to convince. Economics of leaving UK have to look better and any negative Brexit effect to kick in for more SNP gains I think.
2017 GE SNP went down 13% in vote share from 2015. In 2019 they did well but only recovered with an 8% increase from 2017 so still well down on 2015 (50%) - that 56 of 59 seats was on a 50% vote share, not 75. Tories only went down 3.5% in december from their 2017 vote share which did cost them MPs, but they are still at 25% so 1 in 4 votes is not insignificant. Equally significant for me is SNP vote share only being at 45% in December so exactly where it was in the 2014 referendum. If that had been at 60% + then I'd think differently.
People had their independence chance in 2014 and didn't take it. I was amazed we even got an independence ref from Cameron.
I'm a bit head and heart with Independence and I'm unhappy with leaving EU. In another independence ref I really don't know how i would vote, I an unhappy with what the UK has become but prefer less borders. Depends on how this UK govt does, depressingly I have zero faith in Johnson but if he does somehow manage to redistribute wealth and investment and make us more prosperous then of course I'd welcome that. He has form on his dislike for us real northerners, he is a blatant liar and it'll be hard for him to any more popular than Thatcher up here. I was never a nationalist but since around 2010 have got far more sympathy with that view.
If anyone can reunite the UK it is not Boris Johnson. He was the main figure on the leave side and is underhand/untrustworthy so can never be neutral enough or sufficiently untarnished to re-unite. Division is here to stay.
The fact NI and Wales assemblies and Scotland's parliament did not agree to the Withdrawal Act but were ignored speaks volumes about any 'Union'.
Maybe Keir Starmer is the only one who can save the Union?
Wont be a Tory.No idea what is going to happen within UK, likely not alone in that view.
Doon frae Troon
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The only thing that will save the Union [IMO] is the formation of an English Parliament outside of Westminster.
I can't see that happening.
Re Maxfli's post, just about agree with all of that.
Only point I would mention is the rise of the Green vote. [whom for those south of Ae are also in favour of Independence.]
I can't see that happening.
Re Maxfli's post, just about agree with all of that.
Only point I would mention is the rise of the Green vote. [whom for those south of Ae are also in favour of Independence.]
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KenL
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I am getting totally sick of reading your rubbish.
You and the SNP do not speak for the majority ( yes, the majority) of Scots.
What is this dysfunctional UK you speak of? Scotland is not a prisoner in the UK, more like a lucky relative benefitting from family wealth.
Once NS is up in court and having to speak the truth about AS she will be history.
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SocketRocket
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It will be interesting to find out.What are you suggesting she knows?
Word it carefully.
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