The SNIP

[Jacko_G]

Not sure how you can blame the first minister for the failings of the NHS, it was them that signed off on the hospital it was them that appointed the contracts for the water/maintenance supply etc.

Never heard of Boris having to go round new builds hospitals in England with his clip board signing off at every stage of the build. I've never heard of Boris managing the water contract and ensuring that the maintenance is done on time and ensuring the results were as required.

Failings and fiscal policies run far deeper than the SNP they run right down to the doors of Westminster.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I agree with most of what you said but how you could vote for SNP in the recent election when you have a good understanding of their failing is beyond belief!

There is also another new childrens hospital that cant even be opened due to design faults in the ventilation.

Another beauty of theirs is the higher taxes charged for everyone earning just £26k.

Why did you not mention the lower taxes available to the poorest in our society, surely that is more important than the well off paying a couple of quid more.
It really makes me mad when I see Johnstone /Corbyn and their cronies saying that Scotland has the highest rate of taxes in the UK without also saying it also has the lowest.
They are following the 'economical with the truth' route of disrespected politicians.

Still no answers to the 'what would you call a mandate' question I posed. Except suffer another 5 years of economic misery with a Tory government then and wait and see.
If the Scottish polls showed a consistent 52% in favour of Independence do you think that should be enough to take back control, give us back our country.

https://listentotaxman.com/uk-tax/tax-guides/tax-differences-between-scotland-and-england.html
Scottish tax rates for those of us who are interested in the truth and not the Daily Express headlines

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Why did you not mention the lower taxes available to the poorest in our society, surely that is more important than the well off paying a couple of quid more.
It really makes me mad when I see Johnstone /Corbyn and their cronies saying that Scotland has the highest rate of taxes in the UK without also saying it also has the lowest.
They are following the 'economical with the truth' route of disrespected politicians.

Still no answers to the 'what would you call a mandate' question I posed. Except suffer another 5 years of economic misery with a Tory government then and wait and see.
If the Scottish polls showed a consistent 52% in favour of Independence do you think that should be enough to take back control, give us back our country.

https://listentotaxman.com/uk-tax/tax-guides/tax-differences-between-scotland-and-england.html
Scottish tax rates for those of us who are interested in the truth and not the Daily Express headlines

Yet you are more guilty of that, here and before.

To put it into context, the lower paid are LESS than a MAXIMUM of 40p per week better off. That doesn't even buy you a pound of spuds at most places.

Compare that to you are saying 'well off paying a couple of quid more', when that is more than likely to actually mean paying much more than a couple of pounds.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why did you not mention the lower taxes available to the poorest in our society, surely that is more important than the well off paying a couple of quid more.
It really makes me mad when I see Johnstone /Corbyn and their cronies saying that Scotland has the highest rate of taxes in the UK without also saying it also has the lowest.
They are following the 'economical with the truth' route of disrespected politicians.

Still no answers to the 'what would you call a mandate' question I posed. Except suffer another 5 years of economic misery with a Tory government then and wait and see.
If the Scottish polls showed a consistent 52% in favour of Independence do you think that should be enough to take back control, give us back our country.

https://listentotaxman.com/uk-tax/tax-guides/tax-differences-between-scotland-and-england.html
Scottish tax rates for those of us who are interested in the truth and not the Daily Express headlines

When has that happened - and it’s also just a poll

Can you remember the result of the actual vote

Also can you confirm the meaning of “once in a generation “ ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yet you are more guilty of that, here and before.

To put it into context, the lower paid are LESS than a MAXIMUM of 40p per week better off. That doesn't even buy you a pound of spuds at most places.

Compare that to you are saying 'well off paying a couple of quid more', when that is more than likely to actually mean paying much more than a couple of pounds.

If you are in poverty every penny counts.
For a person who counts his pennies I am surprised you did not point out the incorrect upper limit tax level posted on here, It is £43k not £26k

 

[Doon frae Troon]

When has that happened - and it’s also just a poll

Can you remember the result of the actual vote

Also can you confirm the meaning of “once in a generation “ ?

I am asking what people opposed to Scottish Independence would consider to be a mandate for Independence and was giving that as an example.

 

[HankMarvin]

When has that happened - and it’s also just a poll

Can you remember the result of the actual vote

Also can you confirm the meaning of “once in a generation “ ?

The SNP fail to accept that in their own understanding and request back in 2014 that a once in a generation vote is what they wanted and it's what they got but they keep bleating for another vote as the result was not what they wanted. How many times will they continue to disrespect the request/outcome of the vote from the Scottish people. They are in power to act on behalf of the people of Scotland and the majority of scotland want to remain in the UK.

 

[HankMarvin]

I am asking what people opposed to Scottish Independence would consider to be a mandate for Independence and was giving that as an example.

Scotland voted back in 2014 it's that simple we wanted to remain.

Accept it and move on

 

[Deleted member 21258]

If you are in poverty every penny counts.
For a person who counts his pennies I am surprised you did not point out the incorrect upper limit tax level posted on here, It is £43k not £26k

I never said, every penny doesn't count to the poorest. Every penny counts to everyone.

I think you believe I am a EU hating, middle England Tory, and you are so wrong. When have I said I count or don't count his pennies also.

Personally, I would like to see the personal allowance at nearer £15,000 and that would benefit the poorest workers by £500 a year. I would also ensure above a certain earnings level, that is reversed. Now that is something to be proud of and shout in the forum about, and will really help the poorest workers, rather than a policy that doesn't even buy you a pound of spuds. Get real.

You missed the whole point of my post tho. Whoosh....

Your posts are so biased and are guilty of what you say that others do. Your post was 'economical with the truth' to quote you. Do unto others as you expect done to yourself.

 

[Wolf]

I am asking what people opposed to Scottish Independence would consider to be a mandate for Independence and was giving that as an example.

There isn't a mandate nor will there be one because in the words of your own first minister this was a once in a generation vote. Im happy for Scotland to leave had they won the vote, I wanted to remain in the EU but I lost on that vote as a voting democracy we have to accept and move forwards.

Oh and the irony of your previous post complaining nobody had answered you ? little taste of your own medicine there..

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There isn't a mandate nor will there be one because in the words of your own first minister this was a once in a generation vote. Im happy for Scotland to leave had they won the vote, I wanted to remain in the EU but I lost on that vote as a voting democracy we have to accept and move forwards.

Oh and the irony of your previous post complaining nobody had answered you ? little taste of your own medicine there..

Was that not AS? I do believe BJ is in the process - and has been for some months now - of rubbishing;, criticising as wrong, and contradicting a lot of what the previous Tory PM and government said and did.

Do we expect current governments to hold to the every word uttered by previous governments? I think not. We expect them to act in the best interests of the country and if we feel that they do not then we choose to vote for someone else at the next opportunity. And so if the Scottish electorate are sick of the First Minister 'whanging on' about the right to have a second referendum, and having a mandate to do so, then they will stick their fingers up to her and not vote SNP at the next Holyrood or Westminster election.

The Scottish electorate know what the First Minister and the SNP are about - the SNP are not new. The electorate will stop voting for the SNP if and when they become fed up with them. Meanwhile as, and for as long as, they continue to be successful in holding their vote, the SNP will continue to do what they are currently doing - that being the expressed will of the people.

 

[Wolf]

Was that not AS? I do believe BJ is in the process - and has been for some months now - of rubbishing;, criticising as wrong, and contradicting a lot of what the previous Tory PM and government said and did.

Do we expect current governments to hold to the every word uttered by previous governments? I think not. We expect them to act in the best interests of the country and if we feel that they do not then we choose to vote for someone else at the next opportunity. And so if the Scottish electorate are sick of the First Minister 'whanging on' about the right to have a second referendum, and having a mandate to do so, then they will stick their fingers up to her and not vote SNP at the next Holyrood or Westminster election.

The Scottish electorate know what the First Minister and the SNP are about - the SNP are not new. The electorate will stop voting for the SNP if and when they become fed up with them. Meanwhile as, and for as long as, they continue to be successful in holding their vote, the SNP will continue to do what they are currently doing - that being the expressed will of the people.

Scroll back up the thread and there's a canny wee video showing Sturgeon saying the exact same words which shows she should be true to that word to.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Scroll back up the thread and there's a canny wee video showing Sturgeon saying the exact same words which shows she should be true to that word to.

Was she First Minister at the time?

Anyway - if the Scottish electorate view that and consider that what she is doing and saying as being hypocritical, unacceptable or whatever, then they will choose to not vote for her and her party. But as recent (or not) as that video might be, it is not as recent as the December 2019 General Election or the last Holyrood election - in which the Scottish electorate expressed their continuing support for the FM and the SNP. And they KNEW what they were voting vote.

 

[HankMarvin]

Was she First Minister at the time?

Anyway - if the Scottish electorate view that and consider that what she is doing and saying as being hypocritical, unacceptable or whatever, then they will choose to not vote for her and her party. But as recent (or not) as that video might be, it is not as recent as the December 2019 General Election or the last Holyrood election - in which the Scottish electorate expressed their continuing support for the FM and the SNP. And they KNEW what they were voting vote.

Yes and it wasnt a second referendum they voted for.

 

[Wolf]

Was she First Minister at the time?

Anyway - if the Scottish electorate view that and consider that what she is doing and saying as being hypocritical, unacceptable or whatever, then they will choose to not vote for her and her party. But as recent (or not) as that video might be, it is not as recent as the December 2019 General Election or the last Holyrood election - in which the Scottish electorate expressed their continuing support for the FM and the SNP. And they KNEW what they were voting vote.

Now you're just talking rubbish. So you think its OK for an MP to go in record and state they believe this is a once in a generation vote but change their mind once they get power and bleating on and on because they didn't like the result.

As for voting SNP the GE this time around muddied the waters of true voting representation. Many voted SNP because they refused to vote Boris or Corbyn that is evident on this forum alone and even in this thread.

I voted to remain in the EU, I lost but even had another government come in like Sturgeon saying we don't like that lets vote again I'd feel let down bevause regardless of the outcome you have to stick to what has democratically been voted for. I have said before I am pro independence if that's what Scotland wanted they voted and they didn't want it. What's the point in a once in a generation vote if you're going to not accept a democratic vote and keep asking every year for another one at the cost of the people.

 

[Jacko_G]

Now you're just talking rubbish. So you think its OK for an MP to go in record and state they believe this is a once in a generation vote but change their mind once they get power and bleating on and on because they didn't like the result.

As for voting SNP the GE this time around muddied the waters of true voting representation. Many voted SNP because they refused to vote Boris or Corbyn that is evident on this forum alone and even in this thread.

I voted to remain in the EU, I lost but even had another government come in like Sturgeon saying we don't like that lets vote again I'd feel let down bevause regardless of the outcome you have to stick to what has democratically been voted for. I have said before I am pro independence if that's what Scotland wanted they voted and they didn't want it. What's the point in a once in a generation vote if you're going to not accept a democratic vote and keep asking every year for another one at the cost of the people.

I'd suggest that there is huge irony in that considering the Brexit farce and lets be honest when has an MP not changed their mind/stance when things don't go as expected. Hardly a trait reserved only for the SNP!

 

[Wolf]

I'd suggest that there is huge irony in that considering the Brexit farce and lets be honest when has an MP not changed their mind/stance when things don't go as expected. Hardly a trait reserved only for the SNP!

Never said it was reserved for SNP did I ?.. So there is no irony there at all..

I was asking a poster that often moans other MPs are only interested in their own agenda changing their minds to suit why he thinks its ok for Sturgeon to do so.. Bit of a double standard to say its ok for someone he likes to do so but not others... Personally anyone going on record with a view they will honour something but changing their mind because they don't get their own way is in my opinion not good for anyone.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'd suggest that there is huge irony in that considering the Brexit farce and lets be honest when has an MP not changed their mind/stance when things don't go as expected. Hardly a trait reserved only for the SNP!

Aye - I'm was checking every ditch in the vicinity of the HoP looking for our current PM. Unfortunately he is to found in the HoC.

In any case - sufficient of the Scottish electorate have clearly decided that what the First Minister said or didn't say back in the day when she wasn't FM is actually now water under the bridge, as they have given her and her party mandate after mandate by their voice expressed through the polling booth.

 

[Dando]

Aye - I'm was checking every ditch in the vicinity of the HoP looking for our current PM. Unfortunately he is to found in the HoC.

In any case - sufficient of the Scottish electorate have clearly decided that what the First Minister said or didn't say back in the day when she wasn't FM is actually now water under the bridge, as they have given her and her party mandate after mandate by their voice expressed through the polling booth.

nice to know that you think its unfortunate that Boris isn't dead

 

[HankMarvin]

Aye - I'm was checking every ditch in the vicinity of the HoP looking for our current PM. Unfortunately he is to found in the HoC.

In any case - sufficient of the Scottish electorate have clearly decided that what the First Minister said or didn't say back in the day when she wasn't FM is actually now water under the bridge, as they have given her and her party mandate after mandate by their voice expressed through the polling booth.

Have I missed another vote for independence, I don’t know of any such thing where there has been support for another referendum in any recent poll