The SNIP

[Farneyman]

I remember when I was in school bringing stuff in to send in shoe boxes to children in Africa....

Now its getting kids to bring stuff in for food banks so we can help people/families in the local community.

Sad sad state of affairs and ALL politicians should be ashamed of themselves. Aslong as the rich keep gettin rich we are going to continue having kids come to school every morrning without breakfast

Could an Independant Scotland improve this... the current set up certainly isnt working

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Aye - I'm was checking every ditch in the vicinity of the HoP looking for our current PM. Unfortunately he is to found in the HoC.

In any case - sufficient of the Scottish electorate have clearly decided that what the First Minister said or didn't say back in the day when she wasn't FM is actually now water under the bridge, as they have given her and her party mandate after mandate by their voice expressed through the polling booth.

Not forgetting that Johnson called the 2019 Election 'a once in a generation' vote.
I still think we shall have another GE in 5 years time despite his 'once in a generation' call.

 

[Dando]

Not forgetting that Johnson called the 2019 Election 'a once in a generation' vote.
I still think we shall have another GE in 5 years time despite his 'once in a generation' call.

You should do stand up

 

[toyboy54]

SILH-re post 978-I most certainly have not given them my vote to be used generate another referendum!This was pointed out quite forcibily to the local candidate when I met him in by chance as it happens-in the local shopping mall.
He was told to get on with the essentials that joe public want sorted out as they keep (empty?)promising and that 2014 has gone/deid/defunct and what was he going to do if he went to Holyrood?
Surprise surprise-said he would make it a priority as they had let things slip(but guess what?IT WAS'NT THEIR FAULT AS THE BIG BAD BOYS IN LONDON WERE STRANGLING THEIR FUNDS)
Told him he was a KNOB and THAT WOULD'NT WASH ANYMORE the reason myself and a swathe of others were going for them as the Labour alternative was Corbyn and the CONPARTY were a no-no!!!!
Know this is in the wrong section but is anyone watching Sky Arts-Rolling Stones Totally Stripped....just brilliant!!!!
Jimbo

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

SILH-re post 978-I most certainly have not given them my vote to be used generate another referendum!This was pointed out quite forcibily to the local candidate when I met him in by chance as it happens-in the local shopping mall.
He was told to get on with the essentials that joe public want sorted out as they keep (empty?)promising and that 2014 has gone/deid/defunct and what was he going to do if he went to Holyrood?
Surprise surprise-said he would make it a priority as they had let things slip(but guess what?IT WAS'NT THEIR FAULT AS THE BIG BAD BOYS IN LONDON WERE STRANGLING THEIR FUNDS)
Told him he was a KNOB and THAT WOULD'NT WASH ANYMORE the reason myself and a swathe of others were going for them as the Labour alternative was Corbyn and the CONPARTY were a no-no!!!!
Know this is in the wrong section but is anyone watching Sky Arts-Rolling Stones Totally Stripped....just brilliant!!!!
Jimbo

If you don’t support the basic objectives of the SNP in respect of independence and don’t wish your vote to be interpreted as at least tacit support for some of these objectives - even if that’s the right to choose to hold a referendum that you would vote NO in - then don’t vote for them. However if you choose them before the rest to govern you can see the logic perhaps for their calling for the right to hold a referendum. Your opposition is to independence - you will vote NO. If your view is in the majority then no independence.

 

[chrisd]

If you don’t support the basic objectives of the SNP in respect of independence and don’t wish your vote to be interpreted as at least tacit support for some of these objectives - even if that’s the right to choose to hold a referendum that you would vote NO in - then don’t vote for them. However if you choose them before the rest to govern you can see the logic perhaps for their calling for the right to hold a referendum. Your opposition is to independence - you will vote NO. If your view is in the majority then no independence.

As luck would have it Boris has saved him all that worry!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As luck would have it Boris has saved him all that worry!

Indeed he is and he is gambling that brexit will be positive and so will reduce what demand there is in Scotland for an independence referendum. Bit of a gamble though as meanwhile some of the Scots electorate who are sitting on the fence might actually start to move to supporting independence never mind the right of the Scottish government to call a referendum on it. But he’s prime minister. In Boris we trust - don’t we?

 

[chrisd]

t. But he’s prime minister. In Boris we trust - don’t we?

Indeed we do ??

 

[KenL]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ferendum-Nicola-sturgeon-john-curtice-warning

Someone who actually knows what they are talking about. #nomandate

 

[HankMarvin]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ferendum-Nicola-sturgeon-john-curtice-warning

Someone who actually knows what they are talking about. #nomandate

Good read and from from where I am sitting he is correct. Trouble is the SNP will rubbish the report as they continue to split both Scotland and the UK to try and get what they want. Things have not changed as far back as I can remember when I was a kid and the result in 2014 was no shock but they wont listen sadly.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ferendum-Nicola-sturgeon-john-curtice-warning

Someone who actually knows what they are talking about. #nomandate

But surely by applying the same logic to Westminster, though a government may be elected with a majority of - say - 87, the fact that the election was FPtP means that there is no electoral mandate for any policy the government may have espoused in it's manifesto as it does not command a majority of the votes cast.

 

[KenL]

But surely by applying the same logic to Westminster, though a government may be elected with a majority of - say - 87, the fact that the election was FPtP means that there is no electoral mandate for any policy the government may have espoused in it's manifesto as it does not command a majority of the votes cast.

Any chance we could have that written in plain English? ;-)

 

[toyboy54]

Any chance we could have that written in plain English? ;-)

KenL..No use asking me to try that as I witter on and really need to learn to be more 'to the point'as nearly all on here can do so succinctly!
(probably on the wrong forum again but did anyone watch Sky Arts Saturday showing blues/soul birth of Stax records amongst others(Allman Bros.)
Jimbo(gasbag)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Any chance we could have that written in plain English? ;-)

Quoting from the article

Professor Curtis said using the number of seats to claim a mandate does not take into account the effect of the first past the post system, and how it calculates seats from votes.

And so an 87 seat majority does not give a mandate for any policy in that parties manifesto? That polls on specific issues taken during the election period are more of a pointer towards a mandate or otherwise. Really?

 

[chrisd]

But surely by applying the same logic to Westminster, though a government may be elected with a majority of - say - 87, the fact that the election was FPtP means that there is no electoral mandate for any policy the government may have espoused in it's manifesto as it does not command a majority of the votes cast.

I get it that you're suggesting that "first past the post" isn't a democratic winning position given that you haven't accepted a straight forward democratic referendum vote for the last 4 years. If you don't get the result you want ..................

 

[Leftie]

Quoting from the article

Professor Curtis said using the number of seats to claim a mandate does not take into account the effect of the first past the post system, and how it calculates seats from votes.

And so an 87 seat majority does not give a mandate for any policy in that parties manifesto? That polls on specific issues taken during the election period are more of a pointer towards a mandate or otherwise. Really?

Ah! Sir John Curtice (just so we know of whom we talk). The (often) reasonably good predictor of election results who got it so wrong in the 2019 election. Just like so many others - making a name for himself with wild predictions and spurious comments.

Bit like some on here methinks

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ah! Sir John Curtice (just so we know of whom we talk). The (often) reasonably good predictor of election results who got it so wrong in the 2019 election. Just like so many others - making a name for himself with wild predictions and spurious comments.

Bit like some on here methinks

So you dismiss what he says about the SNP and the Scottish First Minister holding a mistaken belief about having a mandate following the last GE? That was the point of the article - that the Scottish First Minister is mistaken.

 

[Leftie]

So you dismiss what he says about the SNP and the Scottish First Minister holding a mistaken belief about having a mandate following the last GE? That was the point of the article - that the Scottish First Minister is mistaken.

I hold no opinion on that as I do not profess to know enough (or really care) about the subject. I was merely suggesting that even as a perceived expert he has got things rather wrong in recent times. Read into that whatever you will.

 

[spongebob59]

ouch

https://twitter.com/x/status/1221831582929104896

 

[Doon frae Troon]

ouch

https://twitter.com/x/status/1221831582929104896

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