The SNIP

[Backache]

Your (and your friends) British History is appalling. The English were not living in the UK when Hadrians wall was built, you may dislike the English but please get the timeline right 🙄

Depends what you mean by the English , the majority of the DNA is todays residents of England predates the Anglo Saxon influx which admittedly was significant.

 

[CliveW]

Your (and your friends) British History is appalling. The English were not living in the UK when Hadrians wall was built, you may dislike the English but please get the timeline right 🙄

It was hardly a UK back then!

 

[Griffsters]

Do you honestly believe that money originates in the EU? The EU does not earn money it takes it off member states then gives some of it back. In our case they give back less than we pay in, so who gives Wales this £245 million?

Question is, do you honestly believe the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and BoJo would would distribute that money improving lives at the bottom of society, or do you think it would be spent winning votes from their target demographic?

I know what the evidence supports.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Slightly disappointing to the narrative but Hadrian's wall is about 60 odd miles south of the border. I can assure everyone that the people of Tyneside, Northumberland and I suspect Cumbria as well, have no desire to become Scottish and so any border building will not be based on the line of Hadrian's wall.

Pedants reply over 😁

 

[Colonel Bogey]

Scots pay for English universities, please explain the difference.

Seriously?

 

[stefanovic]

How does Berwick-upon-Tweed fit in to the debate?
Asked a resident if he considered himself English or Scots he replied 'Neither, I'm a Borderer.'
Maybe geographically English, culturally Scottish, but Borderers at heart?
One things certain. They want the best of both worlds.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How does Berwick-upon-Tweed fit in to the debate?
Asked a resident if he considered himself English or Scots he replied 'Neither, I'm a Borderer.'
Maybe geographically English, culturally Scottish, but Borderers at heart?
One things certain. They want the best of both worlds.

In my experience of meeting people from Berwick they are largely vehemently English, with an almost irrational passion, or vehmently Scottish, as before. My sons old rugby coach was born and bred in Berwick, had a Scottish accent but if you called him Scottish he would have ripped your head off. I can't comment for the other border towns, Kelso, Jedburgh, Coldstream etc but in Berwick they are one or the other, largely English.

History would suggest you are right, I certainly have not met enough people from Berwick to call my comment a scientific fact.

 

[rudebhoy]

Do you honestly believe that money originates in the EU? The EU does not earn money it takes it off member states then gives some of it back. In our case they give back less than we pay in, so who gives Wales this £245 million?

Obviously the money comes from member states. The point is that in 2014, Wales received £649m from the EU budget, while their contribution was £414m, giving them a net benefit of £245m. From a purely parochial viewpoint, it makes no sense for them to vote leave as there is no guarantee (some would say no chance) that a post-Brexit uk government would make up that shortfall.

 

[rudebhoy]

In my experience of meeting people from Berwick they are largely vehemently English, with an almost irrational passion, or vehmently Scottish, as before. My sons old rugby coach was born and bred in Berwick, had a Scottish accent but if you called him Scottish he would have ripped your head off. I can't comment for the other border towns, Kelso, Jedburgh, Coldstream etc but in Berwick they are one or the other, largely English.

History would suggest you are right, I certainly have not met enough people from Berwick to call my comment a scientific fact.

A few years ago, i had a weekend in Berwick with some mates. 2 of us were Scottish, the other 3 English. I had heard that Berwick considered itself more Scottish than English, and wound my English mates up by telling them this. We put the theory to the test by asking as many locals as we could what nationality they were or wanted to be, much to my chagrin, the vast majority said English!

 

[IanM]

Obviously the money comes from member states. The point is that in 2014, Wales received £649m from the EU budget, while their contribution was £414m, giving them a net benefit of £245m.

Nope, the net difference comes from London!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Obviously the money comes from member states. The point is that in 2014, Wales received £649m from the EU budget, while their contribution was £414m, giving them a net benefit of £245m. From a purely parochial viewpoint, it makes no sense for them to vote leave as there is no guarantee (some would say no chance) that a post-Brexit uk government would make up that shortfall.

Have you not me made a good case for independence.
Why has Wales been so badly treated by the UK to merit such a large EU grant.

 

[IanM]

Doon is sooo funny..... you know that there is no such thing as EU money, and if there was an independence vote in Wales, it would lose heavily.

 

[stefanovic]

From replies given I have decided Berwick should have independence from both England and Scotland governed by the Berwick Independence Party.
This is in line with a Welsh border town, which declared itself the Independent Republic of Hay-on-Wye.
Then there's Cornwall which also wants independence.

 

[IanM]

I live in Monmouthshire, that's swapped in and out of Wales/England a few times in the last 500 years. Locally there's bemusement why the Welsh Assembly send millions of pounds teaching all kids Welsh rather than more time on things that will get them jobs! The exception being a job in the Welsh Assembly.... where you have to be able to speak Welsh!

The SNP are a mystery. They want to be ruled by Brussels, making them the only Independence Party in history, not to want independence!

 

[stefanovic]

The SNP are a mystery.

Not when you consider that Scotland is different because it's more a cult than a nation.

They want to be ruled by Brussels, making them the only Independence Party in history, not to want independence!

They are strongly pro-Europe, but will not want to join the Eurozone. That I find weird.

 

[drdel]

Not when you consider that Scotland is different because it's more a cult than a nation.


They are strongly pro-Europe, but will not want to join the Eurozone. That I find weird.

The whole darn thing is about emotion/tribalism, there's no logic.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Doon is sooo funny..... you know that there is no such thing as EU money, and if there was an independence vote in Wales, it would lose heavily.

So funny that you had to dodge the question with a weird non applicable reply.
50% is quite a high number

 

[IanM]

So funny that you had to dodge the question with a weird non applicable reply.
50% is quite a high number

Eh no, and if I need to explain both points, there is probably no point explaining both points.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not when you consider that Scotland is different because it's more a cult than a nation.


They are strongly pro-Europe, but will not want to join the Eurozone. That I find weird.

You think Scotland is a cult...really...!?

 

[User62651]

The whole darn thing is about emotion/tribalism, there's no logic.

Both partners need to be mutually valued for any Union to work, agreed?

Re any Union if you tell a partner for long enough that they're inferior or their viewpoint is unimportant or you don't like them or you patronise them or don't listen to them or tell them they're worth less financially or they're no good without you
then don't be surprised when that union comes unstuck at some point when one partner leaves, no matter the emotional or financial cost.

Not illogical to want to change that in any union is it?


Our UK Union served a purpose but is a bit strained these days, maybe we all need to manage and respect that Union better if we value it? Boris Johnson is a major problem in that task however.

Even in the toughest days of Thatcher's cuts there wasn't much support for SNP, most voted Labour. Labour's demise up here has coincided with support for a left of centre party in SNP. Labour were the ones who facilitated devolution too, ironic. Perhaps that devolution has emboldened people to want to manage their own affairs?