The SNIP

[SocketRocket]

Obviously the money comes from member states. The point is that in 2014, Wales received £649m from the EU budget, while their contribution was £414m, giving them a net benefit of £245m. From a purely parochial viewpoint, it makes no sense for them to vote leave as there is no guarantee (some would say no chance) that a post-Brexit uk government would make up that shortfall.

That money comes from UK contributions, we get nothing from the EU that we don't pay for ourselves.

 

[SocketRocket]

Depends what you mean by the English , the majority of the DNA is todays residents of England predates the Anglo Saxon influx which admittedly was significant.

At that time they weren't 'English' England didnt exist as a country.

 

[SocketRocket]

It was hardly a UK back then!

Read and digest before replying 🙄 The area now known as the UK never had English people living there during the Roman occupation, England didn't exist then.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Read and digest before replying 🙄 The area now known as the UK never had English people living their during the Roman occupation, England didn't exist then.

And Trump is concerned that it has now gone...where's England - what's happened to England?

 

[SocketRocket]

And Trump is concerned that it has now gone...where's England - what's happened to England?

Errr What! That video has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. 🤯

 

[Hobbit]

Both partners need to be mutually valued for any Union to work, agreed?

Re any Union if you tell a partner for long enough that they're inferior or their viewpoint is unimportant or you don't like them or you patronise them or don't listen to them or tell them they're worth less financially or they're no good without you
then don't be surprised when that union comes unstuck at some point when one partner leaves, no matter the emotional or financial cost.

Not illogical to want to change that in any union is it?


Our UK Union served a purpose but is a bit strained these days, maybe we all need to manage and respect that Union better if we value it? Boris Johnson is a major problem in that task however.

Even in the toughest days of Thatcher's cuts there wasn't much support for SNP, most voted Labour. Labour's demise up here has coincided with support for a left of centre party in SNP. Labour were the ones who facilitated devolution too, ironic. Perhaps that devolution has emboldened people to want to manage their own affairs?

Pretty much agree with all of that. Not sure I'd agree that the SNP are left of centre. I'm inclined to think they are a little further left than that - more like old Labour. However, I think many of their socialist policies are very good but I do question their affordability. The current running deficit is horrendous. I don't want to get into the argument of who does and who doesn't fund it... there's no mileage in that.

If I was a Scot I'd vote for independence. I've never understood why a country would want to be governed in many areas in a Parliament staffed by MP's from another country.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Goodness me they are crawling out of the wood today.

Welsh folk should not speak Welsh
Scotland is a tribe and a cult (assume not a typo )
Whatever happened to better together, same route as strong and stable and done and dead meethinks.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Goodness me they are crawling out of the wood today.

Welsh folk should not speak Welsh
Scotland is a tribe and a cult (assume not a typo )
Whatever happened to better together, same route as strong and stable and done and dead meethinks.

If the original poster had put "Scotland was just a bunch of cults" then that might very well have been a typo.

On a serious note I suspect many in England really don't care about better together or Scottish independence, they're as thoroughly cheesed off with the matter as they are with Brexit. They just want a decision made and to be stuck to rather than having the same arguments coming up over again every few years. If Scotland wants, and votes for independence, then that's up to them/you, good luck to them and I hope it's a success. If they vote to remain as part of the UK then that's also up to them but for God's sake if there is another referendum in Scotland can it be written in to law that there won't be another one for at least 25 years.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Reading stuff being posted elsewhere on the interwebbie you'd think that the Scottish Session Court judges were card-carrying Nats.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If the original poster had put "Scotland was just a bunch of cults" then that might very well have been a typo.

On a serious note I suspect many in England really don't care about better together or Scottish independence, they're as thoroughly cheesed off with the matter as they are with Brexit. They just want a decision made and to be stuck to rather than having the same arguments coming up over again every few years. If Scotland wants, a to law that there won't be another one for at least 25 years.

Rest assured that when they have the next ref they will never need to have 'another' one.

Reading stuff being posted elsewhere on the interwebbie you'd think that the Scottish Session Court judges were card-carrying Nats.

I think two are.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Rest assured that when they have the next ref they will never need to have 'another' one.

I think two are.

Well - there's a thing. Duped by the Cult and the wee Witch. You'd think they'd be intelligent enough to know better.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Oh dear, pure entertainment

 

[drdel]

Oh dear, pure entertainment

A rather depressingly bad comedy repeat...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

,Awe come on Col Bogey is pretty obviously a spoof account., funny stuff.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So far Labour have only 19 candidates in place for the 59 seats for a forthcoming election.
Seriously changed political map in Scotland.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Pretty much agree with all of that. Not sure I'd agree that the SNP are left of centre. I'm inclined to think they are a little further left than that - more like old Labour. However, I think many of their socialist policies are very good but I do question their affordability. The current running deficit is horrendous. I don't want to get into the argument of who does and who doesn't fund it... there's no mileage in that.

If I was a Scot I'd vote for independence. I've never understood why a country would want to be governed in many areas in a Parliament staffed by MP's from another country.

Unlike you to go fishing Brian

 

[Hobbit]

Unlike you to go fishing Brian

Not fishing at all. Its something I genuinely believe. Brexit is an excellent example of it. Scotland having a decision foisted upon them that a distinct majority of Scots disagree with. On the one hand it was a UK-wide vote, and breaking it into regions and countries has proven to be very divisive but, also, you can't get away from the fact that the majority of Scots voted against Brexit. If it had been a 52% 'v' 48% there'd be an argument that its was too close, but 62%...

 

[Fade and Die]

Not fishing at all. Its something I genuinely believe. Brexit is an excellent example of it. Scotland having a decision foisted upon them that a distinct majority of Scots disagree with. On the one hand it was a UK-wide vote, and breaking it into regions and countries has proven to be very divisive but, also, you can't get away from the fact that the majority of Scots voted against Brexit. If it had been a 52% 'v' 48% there'd be an argument that its was too close, but 62%...

I always think the lower population slants the percentage result. Don’t forget over 1 million Scots voted to leave... not an insignificant number.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Errr What! That video has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. 🤯

Simpy that in response to England not existing way back in the day. Trump seemed to think that it no longer exists 'What happened to England? Where's England?...they don't use it anymore'.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Police Scotland have issued a warning about three well dressed and spoken fraudsters who recently worked a complicated scam on a Balmoral pensioner in her own home.