The SNIP

[KenL]

i would hope that Scotland vote to remain, as they did last time. But i do not believe there should be another vote for "a generation", which was agreed by all last time - that means another 15 years or so. And that should give the SNP plenty of time to answer the rather fundamental questions of what happens if they leave - key off the top of my head:
1. Taking their share of UK debt - how?
2. Budget deficits and financing them - they are not too hot on this
3. Currency? What, when, how...A new Scottish Treasury Department
4. Borrowing needs - need a credit rating and access to the capital markets
5. Trade agreements with other countries - including the rest of the UK that account for 60%+ of current exports - obviously this will end if Scotland join the EU
6. EU membership? Yes - if so how? What about the fiscal rules for joing in relation to debt-to-GDP, budget deficit, Currency (whatever that is for a new Scotland) stability, rules on long-term interste rates (so Sctotland will have had to borrow in capital markets and have historty here) etc





















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Bravo!

 

[Hacker Khan]

I love it when Brexiters start using economic arguments as a reason to keep a union of countries together.

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297288034665234433

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I love it when Brexiters start using economic arguments as a reason to keep a union of countries together.

Game set and match............

 

[KenL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297305759424958469

Finances a disaster since SNP took power and clueless on currency.

 

[Hobbit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297305759424958469

Finances a disaster since SNP took power and clueless on currency.

That’s a very mild understatement. Anyone who thinks they can spend as they do, in a normal world, needs their head examined..... but at least they are well within the EU criteria to rejoin.... NOT.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You would be if you were planning to live there in the future.
Why should someone who grew up in Scotland for say their first 40 years (paying tax and contributing to the local economy) then got a great opportunity to move to somewhere else for a part of their life with the intention of returning home at some point not get a vote?

Yet, someone living in Scotland for a short time, from say Europe (paying taxes etc) who came here to make some cash but planning to return to their routes get a vote.

That doesn't make sense.

So you think that someone who has not lived in Scotland since 1984 and whose parents are no longer about should get a vote in a referendum? That someone who has no understanding of the consequences and impact of the decisions the Scottish government has made over the last 20+ yrs should get a vote?

 

[KenL]

So you think that someone who has not lived in Scotland since 1984 and whose parents are no longer about should get a vote in a referendum? That someone who has no understanding of the consequences and impact of the decisions the Scottish government has made over the last 20+ yrs should get a vote?

If they were brought here then yes it do.
I would expect people would make their own choice about whether to take part or not.
My mate has lived in Yorkshire for about 25 years. He will move back when he retired in a few years. He deserves a vote, not that there will be one anytime soon.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If they were brought here then yes it do.
I would expect people would make their own choice about whether to take part or not.
My mate has lived in Yorkshire for about 25 years. He will move back when he retired in a few years. He deserves a vote, not that there will be one anytime soon.

How would you set the criteria? Would you only have to be born in Scotland?

Scotland can set it's own rules but in general terms I'm firmly against this method, I wouldn't give expats the vote in elections for example. People living outside the country, military, govt employees and similar excepted, making decisions that wont affect them is not right imo. In terms of Scotland you will get vehemently patriotic Scots living in benidorm, I'm stretching a point here ?, voting for the romantic ideal of independence when the outcome has no tangible impact on them. It's a risk free vote for them, not for those living there.

Vote where you live, not where you did live or might possibly live.

 

[Hobbit]

How would you set the criteria? Would you only have to be born in Scotland?

Scotland can set it's own rules but in general terms I'm firmly against this method, I wouldn't give expats the vote in elections for example. People living outside the country, military, govt employees and similar excepted, making decisions that wont affect them is not right imo. In terms of Scotland you will get vehemently patriotic Scots living in benidorm, I'm stretching a point here ?, voting for the romantic ideal of independence when the outcome has no tangible impact on them. It's a risk free vote for them, not for those living there.

Vote where you live, not where you did live or might possibly live.

How about being able to vote when an issue, or issues, impacts on someone?

My state pension, any rises, being frozen or the triple lock will affect me. Access to the NHS, especially for someone who’s contributed towards it for over 40 years is also an issue for expats.

Many, many expats have children in the U.K., and do have concerns with the direction the U.K. takes.

Currently, expats get to vote for 15 years after they leave. I’m not sure that having so few expat voters voting in their last constituency makes even a ripple to the outcome in any given election - how many constituencies are won by a few votes?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My brother was born in Wales and spent the first two months of his life there.
The other 73 years and 7 months he has lived in Scotland.
Does he get a vote in the Welsh Independence Referendum [when it comes]

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How about being able to vote when an issue, or issues, impacts on someone?

My state pension, any rises, being frozen or the triple lock will affect me. Access to the NHS, especially for someone who’s contributed towards it for over 40 years is also an issue for expats.

Many, many expats have children in the U.K., and do have concerns with the direction the U.K. takes.

Currently, expats get to vote for 15 years after they leave. I’m not sure that having so few expat voters voting in their last constituency makes even a ripple to the outcome in any given election - how many constituencies are won by a few votes?

You haven't convinced me I'm afraid. What happens in lots of other countries affects us in the UK but that doesn't mean I should get a vote in their affairs. You moved to another country, you have to accept your say is now gone.

In terms of their kids, you can't extend back that way. That is tenuous. What if you don't have kids but have friends, does that count? It just can't.

Certain issues will still ripple across to you but you have to accept that as part of your move away. You can't have the whole cake.

In terms of your last point, some certainly are, most definitely at the last election. Equally, if your vote wasn't that important you would not be defending it now ?

 

[Jacko_G]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

END ENGLISH RULE

 

[Fade and Die]

I hate the xenophobic Scot Gnats and any other extremists from any side who can’t see that nothing is born out of destruction of nations.

Talking of the gnats...how many caught this story?....STV had to pull a tv ad a few weeks back, that featured young children thanking wee Jimmie for saving them from Corona, I kid you not, one little boy actually said “on behalf of all Scottish children, thank you Nicola Sturgeon for saving us from Covid”. There were a ton of complaints, many of whom compared it to the type of thing you’d see in North Korea, and they weren’t wrong.
luckily someone grabbed it before it was pulled....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264586550215610369

 

[Jacko_G]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

 

[spongebob59]

I hate the xenophobic Scot Gnats and any other extremists from any side who can’t see that nothing is born out of destruction of nations.

Talking of the gnats...how many caught this story?....STV had to pull a tv ad a few weeks back, that featured young children thanking wee Jimmie for saving them from Corona, I kid you not, one little boy actually said “on behalf of all Scottish children, thank you Nicola Sturgeon for saving us from Covid”. There were a ton of complaints, many of whom compared it to the type of thing you’d see in North Korea, and they weren’t wrong.
luckily someone grabbed it before it was pulled....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264586550215610369

Is that her on the bed too ?.

 

[KenL]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

END ENGLISH RULE

Oh be quiet. I preferred when you took a couple of months off.

It most certainly is not English rule, it is a 300 year old union, from which everyone benefits.

 

[KenL]

I hate the xenophobic Scot Gnats and any other extremists from any side who can’t see that nothing is born out of destruction of nations.

Talking of the gnats...how many caught this story?....STV had to pull a tv ad a few weeks back, that featured young children thanking wee Jimmie for saving them from Corona, I kid you not, one little boy actually said “on behalf of all Scottish children, thank you Nicola Sturgeon for saving us from Covid”. There were a ton of complaints, many of whom compared it to the type of thing you’d see in North Korea, and they weren’t wrong.
luckily someone grabbed it before it was pulled....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1264586550215610369

That really p*ssed me off. Scotland does not have a good covid record compared to other small countries.

Thanks for posting BTW.

 

[Hobbit]

You haven't convinced me I'm afraid. What happens in lots of other countries affects us in the UK but that doesn't mean I should get a vote in their affairs. You moved to another country, you have to accept your say is now gone.

In terms of their kids, you can't extend back that way. That is tenuous. What if you don't have kids but have friends, does that count? It just can't.

Certain issues will still ripple across to you but you have to accept that as part of your move away. You can't have the whole cake.

In terms of your last point, some certainly are, most definitely at the last election. Equally, if your vote wasn't that important you would not be defending it now ?

My say isn't gone. It has 13 years to run before I can no longer vote. As it is I wouldn't vote if I felt there was nothing in a manifesto that affected me but I would vote if there were major changes around pensions. Having paid into the system for 40 years, why can't I have a say on my pension rights? And if that say is via the ballot box, I'll vote if I feel its appropriate.

Why is it tenuous having a concern for where my children are and the society they live in? I presume you care very much for where your children will grow up, why can't I?

As for the whole cake; there's an awful lot of things I can't access, and I have no problem with that. I'm not asking for a "whole cake." Do you begrudge me my pension?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My say isn't gone. It has 13 years to run before I can no longer vote. As it is I wouldn't vote if I felt there was nothing in a manifesto that affected me but I would vote if there were major changes around pensions. Having paid into the system for 40 years, why can't I have a say on my pension rights? And if that say is via the ballot box, I'll vote if I feel its appropriate.

Why is it tenuous having a concern for where my children are and the society they live in? I presume you care very much for where your children will grow up, why can't I?

As for the whole cake; there's an awful lot of things I can't access, and I have no problem with that. I'm not asking for a "whole cake." Do you begrudge me my pension?

At the time of the referendum I argued that I should get a vote as my elderly mother was still alive and that she could be significantly affected by the outcome. The rest of my family would be able to sort themselves one way or the other. I am not so sure that I should get a vote today - but if my mother was still with us I might still be arguing for a vote - especially as a move back to Scotland in the next couple of years is still on the cards for us.