I'm not sure he did, this was the first Socialist Manfesto in what 30 years, i don't think parts of the UK care enough or are ready for that and longer
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The Next Labour leader
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clubchamp98
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Its been drilled into people over the years ,don’t overstretch yourself.
Don’t buy things you can’t afford on credit cards.
Yet he wanted to buy the whole Monopoly board and people knew that didn’t make sense.
i'm not sure thats the case, you only have to llok at the amout of Credit card debt about, all i saw was brexit, brexit brexit and people bought into that. I also think people about other any long and didn't care that they were being offered a change. Railways are in a state, Privitisation hasn't really worked cost have rocketed, service is worse and the gov have to keep bailing out the companies that are running them. Water and utilites are making a killing without re investment, while cost to the consumer rise.
Wolf
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I think part of the issue is what describe except that people already know they can't afford to live like they are but also are intelligent enough to know that the promises in Labours manifesto simply aren't affordable and feared the additional costs to them in the long run. Had labour scaled back a bit in their manifesto and not promised the world then the Brexit issue wouldn't have been such a significant factor.
SocketRocket
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There is a reason we havent had a real left wing socialist Manifesto since Michael Foot and thats because his was unaffordable, potentially damaging to the country and unelectable. People had supposedly learned a lesson from it.
Bunkermagnet
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For me, saying they were going to take back ownership of BT and give everyone free broadband just showed me he was away with the fairies.
However, I look forward to the 40 new hospitals Bojo has said we will have, 20k policemen (they got rid of) and 6k GP's by the time of the next general election. He said it, it wasn't on a bus.
Wolf
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Exactly right BM, making silly promises in free broadband which would be at an unbelievable cost, creating a new bank just to then borrow an exorbitant amount of money from it along with other things it was just to much.
As for Boris's (Tories) promises I wait with baited breath to see what actually comes to fruition.
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IIRC the 2017 manifesto was not half as bad when I read it, I didn't react like I did to 2019 one, 2017 was still a fair way left of centre. Perhaps the 2017 could have been afforded and the tax increases weren't so scary.
Something changed in those 2ish years.
Fingers crossed the torys perform, should start hearing about policies early in the year if things are really going to change or it will just be EU talk to hide behind.
clubchamp98
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REally the talk over the EU should be over.
There’s not much the public can do in a trade deal.
I think people knew Corbyn maths just didn’t make sense.
If you screw the top 5% they will just move somewhere else.
That then leaves us paying.
A the end it’s easy to spend someone else’s money.
But if they leave and you have to get it from somewhere else.
harpo_72
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I think the top 5% are not as important as your top 40% earners .. we lose them we lose skills and the ability to develop our economy.
The top 1-2% are not really of value you cannot see them actually generating anything as they either live off investments or rely on the skilled professionals to make their money grow their business etc ..
The top 1-2% are not really of value you cannot see them actually generating anything as they either live off investments or rely on the skilled professionals to make their money grow their business etc ..
SocketRocket
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Do you know how much of our tax they pay?
harpo_72
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Not enough
fundy
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I see theres already a back Burgon account on twitter for next labour leader. For Labour voters and the state of our country I hope this is a spoof account!!!!
SocketRocket
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Do you, or dont you want to say ?Not enough
If you want a real laugh, David Lammy was on the radio yesterday and did not rule out standing ??
Hacker Khan
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There's worse options. Also bear in mind this leader probably won't be the one to take them to victory at an election, but the one after this will be. So this one will be a transition leader, hopefully starting to move them away form the hard left towards a more centre left position.
Bunkermagnet
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I dont neccessarily agree there.
I think a leader who galvanises the centre voter and offers more substance than what Trump-et will have done, when after 5 years those 40 new hospitals and 6k GP's are still "pending", would overturn the loses of this time and reverse the tables. That is of course if the left wing of the Labour party can see past their own dogmatic noses.
Personally though, I fear another "Milliband moment" coming.
harpo_72
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Nah you surprise us... you love a big reveal
Beezerk
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Yes I heard that as well ?
Old Skier
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