The Next Labour leader

[SocketRocket]

Heard on a podcast today that Labour want to favour a female leader. Leaving the tedious positive discrimination arguments aside, I think it's opening up for Jess Phillips to be the leader. Not 100% convinced it will work, but as an antidote to the Eton Rifles it may be a masterstroke.

I think shes much better than Long-bayley or Starmer, the rest of the shadow cabinet are not up to it IMO.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think a woman on the soft left of the party could work. Any association with momentum has to go as has Blairite's. Labour has to win back it's core vote in Scotland, Wales, N England and the Midlands first. I think Angela Rayner or Jess Philip's may not be the worst outcome

I think Reynor is too 'left' and associated with Corbyn to be called soft left. Also whilst I admire the 'left school at 16 without any qualifications and worked her way up narrative,' I think the way the UK media currently operates means she would be crucified in the press.

 

[Old Skier]

Heard on a podcast today that Labour want to favour a female leader. Leaving the tedious positive discrimination arguments aside, I think it's opening up for Jess Phillips to be the leader. Not 100% convinced it will work, but as an antidote to the Eton Rifles it may be a masterstroke.

Labour will have to sort out the party within a party first. Shouted out for Jess previously but momentum hate her with a vengeance as she does them. Two of the females being touted are Corbyniesters which IMO could lead to a labour war before anything is resolved if indeed it can be.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Trouble is you fall down the rabbit hole of thinking Laura Kuenssberg is part of Tory HQ as the people you follow are convinced of it and you see bias in everything. For example Kuenberg tweeted something about Boris potential getting a 'decent' majority' and momentum twitter lost their **** as she used the word decent.

I agree that her and a few others (Peston for example) have not had a great election and have essentially been used by the tories. But I think it more down to them getting used to the new political way of operating rather then them being closet tories. And if the momentum types just get convinced that they are the enemy then they won't get anywhere.

You’d hope most people of average intelligence are capable of picking the wheat from the chaff, but that also counts for the credibility of certain media outlets.
We know newspapers have their bias based on the owners, but I would expect an institution like the BBC to tread a careful path, call out all sides when they are wrong are factually incorrect and report the facts.
The BBC also have to take a look at themselves and do their utmost to try ensure they are not used as a pawn, the Leeds Hosp and Hancock leading to deleted tweets is an example were they failed to carryout due diligence.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Err I disagree, Labour with the Marxist Momentum group swerved so far to the left that many average labour voters could not bring themselves to cast their vote for Labour.

Brexit was another huge issue, people just want it over and done with, Boris has a plan, Labour didn’t apart from more dither.

Also Labours manifesto was economically in fantasy land.

The key here is not that Boris won, the overwhelming fact is people who have never voted Tory before, did, as they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Corbyn

I think they should ditch momentum as well and it's far left agenda. However Blair and his government's failed them along with a succession of Tory governments. They need a Labour party that gets their issues and has a manifesto that will address them they're sick to the back teeth of metropolitan socialists. Farage and Cumming both understood they haven't had a political voice in decades

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Angela Rayner has made me cringe whenever I've seen her interviewed so I'm hoping not her. Jess Philips has definite potential. She speaks well, seems media savvy and sharp. She can be a bit angry and shoutey which doesn't play well but that side can be refined. She is also untainted by the Corbyn era, an important fact perhaps.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Labour will have to sort out the party within a party first. Shouted out for Jess previously but momentum hate her with a vengeance as she does them. Two of the females being touted are Corbyniesters which IMO could lead to a labour war before anything is resolved if indeed it can be.

Agreed, that’s why in someways Corbyn hanging in there is going to get more and more embarrassing, which in turn will hopefully lead to a good clean out leaving something a bit more left of centre than left of left!

No need to rush either as boris will help by failing on some of his promises as well as we go along.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I think Reynor is too 'left' and associated with Corbyn to be called soft left. Also whilst I admire the 'left school at 16 without any qualifications and worked her way up narrative,' I think the way the UK media currently operates means she would be crucified in the press.

I hadn't realised she was strongly associated with Corbyn. That should definitely rule her out if she is

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I hadn't realised she was strongly associated with Corbyn. That should definitely rule her out if she is

She is his Shadow Education Minister.

 

[Old Skier]

I hadn't realised she was strongly associated with Corbyn. That should definitely rule her out if she is

Raynor makes Corbyn look like a tired old pussycat

 

[Hacker Khan]

I hadn't realised she was strongly associated with Corbyn. That should definitely rule her out if she is

I may be doing her a disservice but if you look on their twitter feeds Jess Phillips is addressing the issues with Corbyn through retweets of someone calling out Corbyn and his facilitators in his cabinet. Where as Reynor, understandably because she was in the shadow cabinet, is not.

 

[larmen]

Is being Labour leader right now a position people aspiring to? Or is it poised anyway?

Much like following Ferguson at United or Wenger at Arsenal?

 

[drdel]

Err I disagree, Labour with the Marxist Momentum group swerved so far to the left that many average labour voters could not bring themselves to cast their vote for Labour.

Brexit was another huge issue, people just want it over and done with, Boris has a plan, Labour didn’t apart from more dither.

Also Labours manifesto was economically in fantasy land.

The key here is not that Boris won, the overwhelming fact is people who have never voted Tory before, did, as they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Corbyn

I think you're probably right.

Momentum has a pretty firm grip on the core of the Labour 'centre' and that is going to be an issue IMO; Corbyn hanging on isn't doing them an favours either.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Is being Labour leader right now a position people aspiring to? Or is it poised anyway?

Much like following Ferguson at United or Wenger at Arsenal?

I'd argue in one way it is comparable as they all molded their clubs/parties in their image. But on the other hand it is completely different as Ferguson and Wenger has a lot of success.

 

[Taz]

You’d hope most people of average intelligence are capable of picking the wheat from the chaff, but that also counts for the credibility of certain media outlets.
We know newspapers have their bias based on the owners, but I would expect an institution like the BBC to tread a careful path, call out all sides when they are wrong are factually incorrect and report the facts.
The BBC also have to take a look at themselves and do their utmost to try ensure they are not used as a pawn, the Leeds Hosp and Hancock leading to deleted tweets is an example were they failed to carryout due diligence.

ITV //Peston made the same error.

 

[Taz]

At least Pillock won't be involved.

 

[Hacker Khan]

You’d hope most people of average intelligence are capable of picking the wheat from the chaff, but that also counts for the credibility of certain media outlets.
We know newspapers have their bias based on the owners, but I would expect an institution like the BBC to tread a careful path, call out all sides when they are wrong are factually incorrect and report the facts.
The BBC also have to take a look at themselves and do their utmost to try ensure they are not used as a pawn, the Leeds Hosp and Hancock leading to deleted tweets is an example were they failed to carryout due diligence.

I think this is the issue, there is so much wheat and chaff about, a lot of it from peoples newspapers/social media echo chambers, that no mater how intelligent you are it is becoming increasingly difficult to get to the truth of anything.

 

[IanM]

I think this is the issue, there is so much wheat and chaff about, a lot of it from peoples newspapers/social media echo chambers, that no mater how intelligent you are it is becoming increasingly difficult to get to the truth of anything.

Absolutely.

Just been reading Twitter thread backing Di Abbott to succeed Corbyn. Genuinely no idea if it’s a spoof

 

[Wilson]

Absolutely.

Just been reading Twitter thread backing Di Abbott to succeed Corbyn. Genuinely no idea if it’s a spoof

Either that or they’ve had too much on a Saturday night!!

 

[bobmac]

They better find someone soon as it seems he's got a new job already